Like I said I didn’t I simply support a different option for it now. And it’s entirely fair to not support something because of someone’s actions. Especially when Fallyn is basically the face of the San’layn community on the forums.
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I think it would be better for all trolls to have access to the bulky models. It is a little bit of a retcon I guess. Oh, and they should add the hunched female models from alpha. Plus a non hunched male and bulky female.
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I don´t need to twist anything dear, you prove my point more than well enough by yourself.
I´ll have the actual last laugh cause at least I know I´m not someone who comforms with mediocre stuff.
Of course, I mean this is basically “DK expac 2.0: meet your real daddy guys”.
The least DK class should get is the sweet sweet Domination runes I say. Lorewise it would be neat.
I´m basically the only -and lonely T_T- proponent of the Blood Magic customization angle, cause frankly, that5´s the very last unique aspect of the race. The Light is NOT unique to the Belves, is a freaking commonality on the Alliance in like 4 races (also, lorewise as I said apart from Liadrin the Draenei Weeb, no character seems to mention the Light for anything). Arcane was taken and given to the NB, to the point our Belf mage NPCs appeared in BfA using BLOOD MAGIC instead of arcane proper.
If Void is territory of the alliance thalassians, and lorewise Light IS too an accesory for them (I mean dudes… your “Helf” guys live and procreate with humans that DO care on the Holy Light dogma), we literally have almost nothing available sans what we could access in that glorious 5.2 patch.
And all of this is wonderful but this implies work. Actual work that you can´t deliver while you cubble crawl while drunk on working ours.
Ergo my point over we maybe acting less “enthusiactic” for the least effort scraps they toss to us just to charge us more and more expensive expacs. Just saying.
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Indeed. Maybe felbloods are out of the conceivable reach, but Illidari are really just as step away in terms of technicality. Illidari don’t have to be limited to one class, and neither should undead elves.
Let’s not pretend the Zandalari green is the same than the Amani green. Also the whole bit of the troll posture is half of the point.
That’s what “unlocking DK skins” means. Otherwise I would have said “just for Hunters!!”
You can have a discussion about what would be the most efficient way of portraying a fantasy, but to shut down any potential ideas to further add fantasy is just being negative.
It is a good thing that I think that player agency and choice are more important than limitations to racial fantasy.
If blood elves get red eyes you can use that to either help your undead elf fantasy, or play a blood mage. You can use blue eyes just because you like the color, or because your character is a high elf.
Player Choice, the tools we are given, should be paramount.
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True, you’re right, that would be neat. I didn’t even think of that, either, but having runes, glowy especially or with the darker magics…would be super sweet.
True, that makes sense. Magic does morph elves, how do you think blood magic overuse would morph the blood elves in this sense? Red eyes, but what other things? Curious to see your thoughts on that. Obviously I’m a huge vampire and blood magic fan (I’m sure no one saw that coming…) so I’d suggest stuff around that angle, but I like the sound of this regardless.
Geez you sound like a Karen just let people enjoy things ,you don’t have to wear the customizations if they are not your style .
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I kinda have a problem with spec locking cosmetics. I think you should be able to have red eyes as frost or unholy.
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Oh yes I agree, I had to edit in the “NOT SPEC LOCKED” bit because I hate that too, trust me.
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I’m sorry but if your sense of ethics is so thoroughly defeated by personal insult, your ethics just weren’t that strong.
I’m not going to deny BE players as a whole of more options because some people here have been horrible to HE fans. Not because some people don’t deserve being called out, but because simply no one represents the whole of the community, and taking it out on said community based on someone’s own opinions is simple pettyness.
Also I haven’t been around for a long time, and IDK what have been your personal interactions, but Fallyn was always polite and open to compromise when discussing HE and DR/Sanlayn stuff.
I won’t say anything about other anti HE people on this thread because everything has been said above by others, and I don’t want to continue that negativity.
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Now if you explain “Fel” customizations under this kind of justifications, that´s way better. Cause then there´s a less stupid explanation available than “lul, loser Belves left some Felblood crazy wackos alive in Quel´Danas for the lols”.
Not all of us play this game merely following the cosmetics, some of us are idiotic enough to pay attention to the story too. And stuff like this kinda breaks the suspension of belief sometimes.
Well, I´ll admit I actually like the hunchback on the DK troll male model (I think it gives them some “relaxed uniqueness”).
As I said it´s either taking the Zanda Troll model and giving them the DK troll eyes or… nothing. Cause a minor shade of green doesn´t erase the fact Zanda Troll eyes are WAAAY different to the DK Trolls et al eyes.
If one doesn´t polish the stuff then it gets implemented in it´s lesser REDUCTIVE form.
I don´t have an issue with people asking for the cosmetic stuff, I just think it would be BETTER to justify it in less niche ways so in the future people has actually MORE options to RP their toons with those options. If I limit the red eyes to undeath and I would want tyo RP THIS toon with the red eyes, I´d have to forcibly make her an undead. And I shouldn´t had to, I should be able to use the feature without a bunch of restrictions imposed arbitrarily.
Half ased effort is what gave us “jewels” like the last 2 expacs narratively speaking.
Geez, you sound like an even bigger Karen when you go to the ultimate step of trying to police what other people´s think.
Next time at least read what the conversation is about before jumping to act like a soccer mom, dear. Cause you lost my point by miles.
See why the least “specific” the better the customizations become? the more you limit them in the implementation, they worse they become.
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This. Fallyn is nice don’t know what that person is talking about. But that poster is known for being a big troll IIRC
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Is that all you can think of?? I ain’t reading your 5 page essay on you complaining about how you are not going to use certain customizations and how mad you are that we are finally getting more customizations Lel petty 
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Hm, yeah. Truth be told, I love the idea of ‘living vampires’ way more than undead (I know that’s not what you meant though! Just sharing like… my thought process) despite pushing it here, since there’s technically no such lore in the WoW universe. I know ‘red eyes’ don’t equal ‘vampire’ either, though, so there is that.
I am curious to see how, if they ever expand upon it, blood magic would morph a living elf. Would it turn them into a living vampire, then? We don’t know, no such lore yet. Interesting to speculate, though.
You could also just try to have a conversation in good faith instead of pretending that everyone else doesn’t know or care about lore.
Again, my point is giving the Zandalari model the trol hunch to get Amani.
Also “or nothing” opinions are so pointless. Just think of all the “HE AR or Bust” people.
I literally said you could use red eyes to represent a blood mage. My whole point is that it’s just better that we get more tools to actualize our personal fantasies.
So why would you have to make your elf an undead if you choose red eyes?
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You only consider her nice because she agrees with you.
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Whatever you say. I’m 99.5% sure you just want to rile people up anyways so I’m just gonna ignore you for now.
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Well, blood elves were introduced as a race that literally fed off of the magic of others.
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Dear, either you sucked to deliver the message or are trying to backpedal faster than my cat when I start the vacuum cleaner.
YOU were the one that jumped to call me “Karen” cause I (as in, individually) had an issue with the explanation for cosmetic features. In no point in my post I said I cared over how other posters take those explanations (I mean, it´s obvious everybody will understand and accept or reject those in their own ways).
Also, congrats in your “lul, no U” argument. surely makes you look mature and informed (NOT).
Well, Ariok and the Bleeding Hollow Orcs get quite err… “modificated” physiologically after they get infused with Blood magic. And if merely living around a Fel crystal (NOT even using the Fel, just living around some of it) made the Belves get radioactive fel green eyes, then why living around Anima Golems couldn´t have the same effect?
Regarding the story, the type of Blood Magic the Belves currently use is not the same as the one you want (the blood of Ra which is, the Dark Animus, causes mutations onto living organisms -coughcoughSaurokcough-, heck even if both resources are called “anima” they are up to now DIFFERENT things). But maybe this vague basis can be used so ther posters simply use this basis as speculation grounds or to cosmetically portray their Dark Ranger toons or idk… other bunch of stuff.
Sorry man, but anyone that paid even a little bit of attention to the Belf lore knows -since like a decade ago and counting- that the “Felblood” motto is NOT good. And it irks me because is this vagueness the one that the devs have consistently used to villain bat the Horde races.
I rather get a more neutral/heroic reasoning for cosmetic pretty feathered wings and horns than a half ased explanation they could use to give the Belves the Orc / Forsaken treatment, tyvm.
It´s no “bad faith”. If people says ignorant stuff regarding the story, I will call them onto it. If I have to call a spade a spade I will do so, period.
Well, under this premise indeed the “Amani” model would probably have to come from the Zanda side of the fence -cause lorewise speaking it´s easier to explain them following in their Zanda overlords than in DK suddenly accepting amani for the lols when they have been killing them since Vanilla-.
Because the story says so.
And as I mentioned there are stupid players like myself that DO give more value to the story than to the mere cosmetics. Ergo, red eyes explained as Dark Rangers that went back to Quel´thalas mean simply that for me: undead elves. A living skin breaks the suspension of belief for me in this case, ergo making the choice for red eyes on “living” Belves something that would annoy me to no end and in consequence removes those as available options for ME.
And I don´t think I´m the only player with this quirk in the MILLION players that participate in this game. so why shouldn´t we consider the possibility that yes, HOW you justify the stuff can make it more or less attractive to other customers?
Once upodn a time I swear I read a story (or was it a comic?) in which a Belf Warlock literally killed an enemy (human was it?) and drained it from his magical scence. In a way it´s cool, though too close to villainy to be used with the current moralizing writting team.
I really don’t see the problem with giving them darker themes.
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True, but I like the more wild ideas (your second paragraph) to really rip out the distinctness, so I’m thinking just going all in with the blood magic for some elves, though… that leads to a ‘well wouldn’t that be a class’ and my answer is “I dunno…”
Yeah, the saurok are really cool. Hmmm… There’s a lot of interesting possibilities indeed, to really make them look positively eerie with how those mutations work.