Veto'ing Real ID literally ruined the game

[Miree-shadowsong]

I disagree Golgamyth.

The problems stem from lack of a good education and no rules in society.

There are no consequences to actions that are taught to children, instead what they get is they can do whatever they want with impunity since discipline is not allowed to be enforced other than a few mild things which are pretty irrelevant.

Even more so on a virtual game where others don’t truly know you sure, but if they are nice in real life, they will tend to be nice on the game as well. Honestly knowing someones personal information is extremely dangerous, and would only be beneficial to a potential predator.

If people are nice, they will tend to be nice on the game. If they aren’t they arn’t. But I feel it needs to be addressed by parents (which these days don’t seem to be all that involved in their kids…) And by schools, that need to teach proper society and behavior as well as actually teaching kids how to read, write, history and math.

Where I am, kids are graduating from HS with honors yet can’t spell or read very well, and can’t even do basic math. But since they sat in the chair with good attendance, they graduated with honors.

They can’t even get a job at a fast food place because they can’t read and fill out the application form.

Just having real ID on this game would still not accomplish much as someone is either nice or they aren’t. All I fear it would do is ostracize some and end up with way more bulling and harassment than now even.

“I hate PlayerX because they said something bad to me.”

Lots of players now shun PlayerX, which causes PlayerX to bad mouth PlayerZ… And it begins… A vicious circle of bullying behavior that ends up with lots of people being banned and a ton of extra work for Blizz…

Right now, just /ignore them and move on. If it’s really bad, report. Then it stops there.

Gets off Sunday Soap Box and heads onto the game.

[Veranarana-pagle]

@Pandinus-shadowsong

I want to hide myself from the monsters that are you and everyone else on the internet.

I hear the boogieman still lives in closets and there’s still a monster under the bed. For real though, you should probably seek mental help. They have meds for this kind of thinking. The world isn’t out to get you, nobody knows who you are, few people are ever going to care who you are, you just aren’t that special. Either you need to get help for schizophrenia or you need to drop the narcissism.

[Thôr-silver-hand (Thôr)]

@Golgamyth-area-52

Virtually all the problems that we experience now all stem from anonymity and the ability to socially misbehave without repercussions.

Uh late to the party so welcome to the internet party been going on since 1983.

[Hayhey-bleeding-hollow (Hayhey)]

@Veranarana-pagle

I hear the boogieman still lives in closets and there’s still a monster under the bed. For real though, you should probably seek mental help. They have meds for this kind of thinking. The world isn’t out to get you, nobody knows who you are, few people are ever going to care who you are, you just aren’t that special. Either you need to get help for schizophrenia or you need to drop the narcissism.

This is exactly why we dont need other people knowing real ID. Your post is a perfect example of it.

[Veranarana-pagle]

@Hayhey-bleeding-hollow

This is exactly why we dont need other people knowing real ID. Your post is a perfect example of it.

Except it’s not. It’s a perfect example of why it doesn’t matter. Even if his real name was showing, I would have absolutely zero interest in looking them up, let alone stalking them…

Again, you aren’t that interesting and the world doesn’t revolve around you. Unless you’re Brad Pitt or something, nobody really cares who you are. You’re just “paranoid internet forum user#12345” to my eyes.

[Annastasi-proudmoore]

@Veranarana-pagle

Except it’s not. It’s a perfect example of why it doesn’t matter. Even if his real name was showing, I would have absolutely zero interest in looking them up, let alone stalking them…

you wouldn’t

but you’re dangerously delusional if you think others wouldn’t go that far.

I have a very unique name. There are only two of me in the entire country. It would be very, very easy for someone to find me if they were able to get to my name.

and that is how dangerous RealID is.

The John Smith’s of the world? they’re safer with people knowing their names. But many of us are very, very easily identified, located and potentially harmed because some nutjob on the internet got mad during pvp, or from being kicked out of a group.

no thanks.

[Ebonhand-area-52]

I get what he’s saying. If anyone could find out who you were IRL people wouldn’t risk being jerks in game. I guess that is true.

But I guess you can also attract some stalkers fairly easily.

[Pandinus-shadowsong]

You didn’t use chat rooms in the early to mid 2000s? I’m in the mental health field so if you wanna go that way we definitely can, let’s break down what positive and negative symptoms for schizophrenia are on display.
Having 0 reason to by default believe in your intentions does mot fall under the qualifications for delusional thinking of any sort, in fact its responsibility.
What you’re doing is projecting onto me now that you feel challenged by your position because you believe yourself to be the moral authority.
Public social media has well documented correlations with negative impacts on mental health ESPECIALLY adolescents.
Get over yourself and get off your high horse.

[Jurixis-sargeras]

Having a desire to keep one’s private life as private as they can from random users on the internet isn’t the same as not having privacy from conglomerates and companies. This doesn’t mean they are schizo or narcissistic. People can do real damage if they can find out who you are and some people are just vindictive enough to act on their impulses.

Let’s put this another way: What harm is there in keeping identifying information private? Real ID uses PII (your real name) and can be used in ways you don’t consent to. Not allowing others to know it freely is a great way to keep that avenue of abuse at bay. It makes the barrier just a little harder.

Just because you wouldn’t do those things doesn’t mean no one will do those things. Stalking happens. It’s not usually a stranger but it COULD be. No one should wager their lives on that chance. Not to mention there’s fraud as well. Identity theft is very scary and very real.

[Hayhey-bleeding-hollow (Hayhey)]

@Veranarana-pagle

Except it’s not. It’s a perfect example of why it doesn’t matter. Even if his real name was showing, I would have absolutely zero interest in looking them up, let alone stalking them…

Again, you aren’t that interesting and the world doesn’t revolve around you. Unless you’re Brad Pitt or something, nobody really cares who you are. You’re just “paranoid internet forum user#12345” to my eyes.

Oh you are so wrong. So so so wrong.

[Carhagen-moon-guard (Carhagen)]

Real ID expansion was a mistake and I am glad Blizzard moved in a different direction.

A Blizzard staff member literally got harassed when he put his RL details on these forums to try to ‘prove’ that Real ID on the forums was not a big deal. Is that something you personally would like? People ringing your home? Your work? To harass you because you took that extra piece of loot and didn’t give it to someone who felt they deserved it? Because you kicked that person from a dungeon run?

I don’t think you would like that at all. Neither does Blizzard, which is why those concepts never went further than being ‘announced’.

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Veranarana-pagle

@Silverleigh-drakthul

Google is a monster but the masses are its willing slaves.

What do you have to hide?

Why do people always go there?

Just because I do not want my business hanging out for every Tom Dick and Harry to be acquainted with, does not mean I am hiding something. It means it is my business, to be shared at my discretion.

[Nihaokungpow-area-52 (Nihaokungpow)]

@Golgamyth-area-52

Do you agree?

Not at all. I probably wouldn’t be subbed if they forced a real ID on us.

[Puré-area-52 (Puré)]

Why did blizz remove the program name from your post how does that violate anything.

[Veranarana-pagle]

@Pandinus-shadowsong

You didn’t use chat rooms in the early to mid 2000s?

I used them plenty, I’m in my 30s.

@Pandinus-shadowsong

I’m in the mental health field

I play a doctor on TV, but keep going with the armchair psychologist act.

@Pandinus-shadowsong

What you’re doing is projecting onto me now that you feel challenged by your position because you believe yourself to be the moral authority.

I don’t feel challenged at all, but you’re deciding to perceive it as such because you want that to be true, to justify what you’re accusing me of. Using your logic, you’re counter-counter-projecting. Playing the game of “I know you are, but what am I” isn’t going to get anywhere.

@Pandinus-shadowsong

Public social media has well documented correlations with negative impacts on mental health ESPECIALLY adolescents.

Are you some 13 year old? Also, you have the option to ignore anything you see on the internet, you just chose not to because you’re probably a part of the snowflake generations and think the world revolves around you. The good news is that narcissism can be grown out of.

@Pandinus-shadowsong

Get over yourself and get off your high horse.

I have yet to say anything that makes me out to be some person on a high horse… I’m just a person who calls out nonsense when I see it. Sorry for disrupting your echo-chamber cult meeting.

@Jurixis-sargeras

This doesn’t mean they are schizo or narcissistic. People can do real damage if they can find out who you are and some people are just vindictive enough to act on their impulses.

Very very very few people actually do this. If they do, report it to authorities.

@Hayhey-bleeding-hollow

Oh you are so wrong. So so so wrong.

If you spend most of your time on sites like 4chan and creepy incel reddit forums, you might think the internet is this super dangerous place where everyone stalks everyone and has body pillows of their crush they are stalking… But in reality, that’s not the norm. You’re seeing a very tiny percentage of the population in those types of forums.

@Silverleigh-drakthul

It means it is my business, to be shared at my discretion.

Set your social media to private then, it’s not hard.

[Jurixis-sargeras]

@Veranarana-pagle

Very very very few people actually do this. If they do, report it to authorities.

Why not just take preventative measures? Reporting it takes time, proof of wrong-doing, and the damage can last for a long time. Do you think it’s really worth years of trying to financially recover or psychologically recover just because someone doesn’t believe your privacy is worth it?

[Ughash-sargeras (Ughash)]

What’s the point of having our real names exposed? What would you do if you knew who I actually was? Stalk me out? Find my address and show up? Send me mail?

Nothing good would come from this idea.

[Veranarana-pagle]

@Ughash-sargeras

Nothing good would come from this idea.

Privacy freaks said the same thing about Facebook and it’s worked out mostly fine since then… The reality is that most people aren’t criminals and most people aren’t serial killing murderers.

[Zariayn-stormrage]

Nah,I don’t want some unstable random angry person finding me in RL cause I won an arena match against them or stole an ore.

[Rebhe-whisperwind]

I sincerely hope this is just a Sunday post and I don’t actually need to explain why plastering someone’s Real ID all over the game is a bad thing.