Are any opinions that are in opposition to yours ‘just the standard responses’? Or do you just see anyone with a dissenting opinion and you summarily dismiss and ignore their positions?
- I did not say Classic will die in 5 months. That’s just a strawman, nothing more or less.
- I did not say younger gamers won’t be interested, the point I was making was that it will not draw younger gamers like it did back when vanilla released. It drew the audience it did then because it was extremely casual in comparison to the big MMO’s in the market at the time. The appeal today is that it returns to a era that is nostalgic for a lot of players and it aligns with some people’s opinions on how reward systems should work in an MMO. Broadly speaking. There’s a lot of reasons but I think those two are probably the most prominent. Younger players do not have nostalgia for the game because that requires they actually played it when it was current content. Younger players, generally speaking, also do not play games the same way as people did then. That’s just a fact, gaming and players in general have evolved from what they were since then.
- Private server players have made the argument they won’t pay for WoW. All of them? No. But they’ve made a lot of noise about it. The point there is not that no private server players will play Classic. But if you think private servers are going to go away you’re delusional. But in the end, again, this isn’t an argument I’m making. This is an argument people who play on private servers are making. You’re dismissing the argument of fellow private server players…why?
- I never said older mechanics are boring. This is another strawman. The game was different. I recognize that those differences aren’t something I personally would find entertaining to play in again. I don’t want to go back to 40 man raiding. As someone who liked playing support classes, the WoW implementation of hybrids was garbage. They took the paradigm from EQ and then gave hybrids none of the actual usefulness that they had there. All because of a guys bias for the class he played. And it took them until Wrath to realize they screwed the pooch on that one and fix it. BC was better but it certainly wasn’t fixed.
But I did like the ridiculousness that is “sound arguments” when talking about opinions. That’s pretty funny. Do you think your opinions are somehow more sound?
Because it’s fun to speculate. And we don’t need your permission to do so. And if you don’t like our speculation that’s fine, you’re not required to like it, and we’re not required to care that you don’t like it.
Again, I didn’t say Classic is going to fail. I said I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed because their expectations are predicated on scapegoats and when Classic goes live they’re going to have nothing to point at but themselves. I think there are plenty of people who will enjoy Classic too. I hope it’s enough to sustain a community because I’d rather those people get out of Retail and stop being toxic on the forums crying about how LFR or forging or cross realm ruined WoW.
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Lets be honest, the one thing they could do and for some silly reason they oppose, yet would make Classic relevant again and forever (while making Blizzard loads of money) is this.
- Characters on Classic WoW can now be transferred to live (Retail) WoW realms.
Warning: This is a ONE WAY transfer. You will not be able to transfer a character back to the Classic Server once initiated, and GMs will not be able to halt a transfer in progress.
A constant culling of max-level toons and reintroduction of lower level toons solves many issues.
1.) The Game World remains populated in several zones.
2.) There is a end-game. Goals of gearing up last longer.
3.) Players do not get ‘burn-out’ from farming Naxx for 4+ years.
4.) Players can legitimately earn lost transmogs the right way.
The things that people remember fondly about Vanilla was the sense of community, and that is really what they miss. They blame the introduction of LFG/LFR for this loss, however, the loss of community happened because a different group of people started playing this game and many of the old group moved on.
I am excited about Classic because I have never seen the world pre-cata and I want to experience it the way it was first introduced. I am hopeful that some of the community feeling will come back, but I also recognize that there will be two different types of players playing so it may not happen.
I enjoyed vanilla, it was great. I don’t want to play through it again though.
I played BFA, it wasn’t great. I don’t want to play through it again.
If 9.0 isn’t closer to Wrath/MoP/even at least Legion, I’m out.
You might be surprised at how many leave. You should want to hold onto as many people as you can at this point. I play on Emerald Dream which is one of the bigger servers and it is a ghost town right now. Careful what you wish for Mr. Forum police!
False. Tons of people play the unofficial servers already. It’s not a case of rose-tinted glasses if people can literally fire it up and play it instantly.
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Pretty much this it what happened and catering to this group of players has been a struggle for the developers. Because this type of player doesn’t stay subbed for longer than 2-3 month stretches.
Their entire business model is built around this type of player and these are not casual MMO players either, they are more casual mobile style gamer’s. Entitled, have short attention spans, usually anti-social, basically your average video gamer these days.
I’m a masochist. I’m looking forward to classic. What really appeals to me though is there is a set maximum of what you can achieve. There is no endless grind to replace gear 2 months later if you get maxed out. Specifically looking forward to pvp
Context is important. EQ didn’t have quests for experience. People literally went and grinded mobs in different areas as they leveled. Masterpiece? WoW was casual central in comparison to MMO’s that were out at that time. That’s what made it popular.
Literally every expac has had whining. I, personally, did not whine in MoP (but you should have seen me in WoD) And that post wasn’t reflective of all posters, nor did I suggest it was. Relax homie.
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Um I don’t know why you keep dragging EQ into this conversation? I hope you are not one of those EQ guys that has to drop that they played EQ into every conversation?
No one cares about EQ here pale.
EQ was a niche game that had a very small audience and their player base was a drop in the bucket compared to what WoW turned into.
WoW drew a lot of it’s audience from the RTS games and the Blizzard fan base as whole. They didn’t care that it was a MMO and that is why it grew in popularity not because it was easy or casual. It’s art style and the giant fan base that loved Warcraft’s IP is what fueled the hype back then. The fact people could actually walk around Azeroth for many people in a seem less world was a masterpiece in itself.
MMOs were never a popular genre either. Even EQ had what 200k players tops? WoW’s rise in popularity was so much more than ease of play compared to EQ.
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Just curious. How much do the “tons of people” pay in monthly subscription fees on private servers nowadays?
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What is going to kill vanilla is when people realize there is only 1 raiding difficulty of heroic/mythic and all the people and time management that goes into raiding that. Get into a guild with a good raid leader and good officers and have lots of spare time and it was a great experience. Then watch one of those officers flip out because he didn’t get the leaf from Major Domo and leave the guild and take half the raid team with him and watch it go to hell fast.
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How…how is this relevant? Pretty sure that would be law breaking if they did charge people.
First of all, how is that relevant to the topic of content being viewed through rose colored glasses?
Secondly, they rake in tons of donations. A certain wrath one that I won’t name rakes in insane amounts.
False, as mentioned before.
Non issue on private servers at the moment. People over state how bad Vanilla raiding was. A lot more people raided back then contrary to the narrative on this forum.
Sounds like a great time to me!
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Vanilla wasn’t bad, I liked it but I just see it as a start. I think BC had the best raiding and progression and Wrath had the best story and fun activities.
Personally I would stick with Wrath given the choice, but for now I’ll support Classic. I hope Classic is popular enough to get the ball rolling for other expansions.
I always see Classic, BC and Wrath being the most popular and most updated private servers, that’s obviously where the demand is. I think if Blizzard did all 3 they would pretty much kill the private server market.
I think people have forgotten. The pace of Vanilla was fine for it’s time, but now will feel soul-sucking while leveling and questing. Running the Barrens, on foot. Yeah.
Vanilla was great when it came out, because it was new and there was little to compare it to… Everquest? Ultima Online?