I was looking at my tool-tips switching it on and off in my talent tree and noticed that vanguard boosts my HoW’s damage in the tool tip when selected. There is no reference to a damage increase in the talent tool-tips. Does anyone else notice this?
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Can confirm, does the same for me
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Oooo, Oooo, an unintended damage increase?
I’ll take whatever advantage we can get… 
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i heard it was heresay…
This is something you can actually see live. Stop being ludicrus now.
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nope, gotta link a bluepost.
How is it heresay if Greatbrae and Benmarch both visually confirm what the tooltip actually states??? 
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For those interested in pictures of this phenomenon;
10% damage bonus that’s hasn’t been part of the tooltip since 10.0.7 but has been part of the spelldata all of TWW and Dragonflight.
Name : Vanguard's Momentum (id=383314) [Spell Family (10), Passive]
Talent Entry : Retribution [tree=spec, row=5, col=4, max_rank=1, req_points=8, select_idx=100]
Effects :
#3 (id=1025301) : Apply Aura (6) | Add Percent Modifier (108): Spell Direct Amount (0)
Base Value: 10 | Scaled Value: 10 | Target: Self (1)
Affected Spells: Hammer of Wrath (24275)
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I mean, even with that HoW still hits like a wet noddle. Ive had VM talented since it was introduced
Which is sad since it is supposed to be an execute.
Herald HOW hits for 1.5-2m crits in pvp if you have juicer procs, more average is around 900k.
honestly, that is what it would normally hit if it was purely an execute and didn’t had procs/wing usage. Balance wise anyways.
I’m just gonna throw this out there.
If you remove the HoW proc on FV, do you increase FV damage or HoW damage?
I’d think that what if is depending what they are aiming for;
If they want to keep it as a proc mechanic, I’d say change the proc to BoJ or even judgement.
If they want us to have a strong execute (you can’t escape justice) they would buff BoJ
If they added the proc as a means to increase FV damage, then a straight buff to FV is warranted.
Nah don’t remove from FV, it makes it so that the player gets something out of using FV as often as possible.
Remove from Wings, keep FV proc and make it double dmg as it does now.
Anshe gets it even higher, we have execute dmg and regular HoW priority on ST when we do get a FV proc, if you’re not paying attention and FV twice overwriting it… git gud?
Mistakes should be punished in the priority system that we use.
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Finishers don’t need procs added to them. Also The reason you take FV is to have range on your finisher. If the single target finishers needs more reward for pushing them, then they should be conpensated with higher damage (buff the initial damage)
I do agree with this though.
Remove the anshe proc too.
If the proc changed to judgement or BoJ, it would be the same deal.
HoW Fv’s proc and wings uptime is low on the piority list.
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Says who?
It has a proc for a reason, but the proc isn’t exciting exactly because HoW does trash dmg now, in the past it was high priority to use it because it did dmg, we’re just adjusting it to have a value once more.
No rule saying that they need higher dmg by themselves.
A byproduct of using them is valid.
Why? It’s one of the appeals of Herald versus Templar.
No reason to remove it.
Yes, that’s why i said:
And remove from wings to balance it.
It wouldn’t and would just increase one of those 2s priority versus the other.
What do you think the term finisher means. If it’s not the final result of an resource system, then the name “finisher” is meaningless.
And that proc could be anything other then an ability that was originally designed to be an execute. Due to this and many other procs the damage of our execute must become trash to keep balance that is why;
They are finishers! That needs to be built up to use! It’s the point of us even having a HP system. We have skills and procs that literally does more damage then them, which is pathetic.
The appeal of herald is the lazor graphics and the off-healing it provides. The appeal of templar is the more physcal presence for paladins which had been on the decline for the last few expansions, as well as making our horse more impactful.
You’ll need to do more if you want the damage to mean anything.
the top 2 piority skills already gets higher on the piority list?
It means it’s the ultimate part that uses the resource system, it uses the HP up, it doesn’t mean it can’t produce anything besides damage, that’s very limiting to say… yeah it does dmg and has a bit of range.
It’s proccing our execute, if you need time to think it over, take it.
What i’m saying is to restore power to that execute.
You not liking FV’s proc is irrelevant.
And they do that, stop thinking they shouldn’t proc anything when the devs clearly made it proc HoW.
That’s a different problem that needs solving, but the devs don’t think it’s a problem, being the main issue here.
Apparently it’s ALSO Anshe’s HoW proc, just like FV has it.
You’re clearly biased against their existence so any discussion with you is meaningless on this topic.
I said they’d buff HoW already, exemplified by doubling its dmg, if additional rebalancing is needed then that’s what needs to be done as well.
Can you even understand what you’re reading?
I said:
Meaning that one or the other depending which is decided to proc it, would have 1 up on the priority against the other one, not against OTHERS.