And what’s ultimate about adding a proc to our “ultimate” attack for an attack that is now had to be balanced to be our weakest attack.
HoW is no longer an execute by definition due to how much proc/wing activation of it’s use. It needs to go back to being an execute, but as it is, it is not one.
By it not being an execute? Executes are only meant to be active once you get a target to a certain percentage of health. Not as a proc, not activate via an already strong CD.
Adding attack proc means they are not finishers, as they are not the final attack of our rotation, the proc is. and 2, we have several generators that deals more damage then our finishers.
And it cannot be solved by having a proc added to it, as the proc would be balanced to be apart of the damage.
Templar has a HoW proc as well. The only difference is the damage amp. Saying it’s the “appeal of herald” is silly.
And you won’t get that if it’s still as active as it currently is, even if wings is cut from it.
Judgement and BoJ is already our top piority spells, even more so in some cases then our finishers.
No rly? Why tf do you think i said to double its dmg? And remove wings usage.
You can have a proc of an execute, is this your first year playing wow?
That’s why you make the finisher more valuable by adding a proc to it, does that logic escape you?
If you add the proc to Judgement or BoJ then you increase their value even more against FV because you want to hit them more to proc HoW.
Added to what? We already have the proc, you increase HoW dmg and therefor the proc, but since you delete it from wings it makes it balanced with its new power.
Templar has a normal dmg proc, Herald has a super HoW proc, you can’t see any difference here?
If you cut wings usage from it, you cut the amount of times it is used. How tf are you denying this? Because you make 0 sense.
And i said that adding the HoW proc to one or the other just makes one of them the top priority against the OTHER one, what do you have trouble understanding?
I believe you’re just trolling at this point, because nobody has that many off takes in 1 post.
Higher damage increases the value the same, and keeps the namesake of being a “FINISHER”
You can say it, but having still attached to so many abilites/talents will never get it to double in damage baseline.
Then the proc should be removed, and even if it stays a proc, it should be with another skill, not one that conceptually should be our execute.
Please tell me you didn’t read that sentence fully before quoting it without telling me you didn’t read it.
It’s low damage is combanation of proc usage and wing usage, both needs to be cut. Only cutting one won’t be enough. We are not going to get baseline HoW to be double what it is with proc’s still around. Will create balance issues, specially for your coveted herald proc.
HoW proc’s and wings procs unless the proc is anshe is the lowest piority press, again. please try again.
BoJ and Judgement competes with each other for piority, not HoW. TS beats all of them in piority if you have it talented due to the 2nd attack being stronger then FV and HoW proc combined.
Higher dmg on FV means 1 button press, adding the proc with HoW means 2 button presses and adds variety in combat with it being a proc that you need to react to.
under 20%
FV proc
An’she / Endless Wrath depending on what hero spec (in 4 min 23 sec of Sikran on top parse it’s 9 An’she vs 8 EW if they were specced)
wings usage = removed, we have uptime of 58% or so, that’s a lot of time that we cut off HoW usage, 20% of that 58% we’re under the 20% mark, so 46.4% of the time is cut from our ability to use HoW.
You can say not double sure, but that’s a lot of time to cut off of HoW usage, can be a 50% increase or a 70% or whatever, but it surely needs an increase.
That’s the difference, double the dmg. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G6tYQCNWwbKZFAmM#fight=28&type=auras&source=16
If you look at this log, An’she would have procced with its 2 ppm about 9 times, while if EW was specced it would have procced 8 times with that 10% chance against those 80 EH.
It procs a bit more and it’s dmg is double, i’d say an 100% increase makes it special to the hero spec.
Only cutting one is enough to increase it and make it worth pressing, that’s the end result that needs to happen.
FV proccing is or An’she/Eternal Wrath is irrelevant, you balance against them.
The main culprit for HoW spam is wings, that’s why it needs to go.
I don’t see what’s hard to understand, i’m talking about only those 2 spells, Judge and BoJ, if you attach it to either of those, you make 1 of them clearly superior to the other one. Now there is a semblance of balance between them, since Judge has the amp for finishers and mastery with the talent while BoJ has Expurgation, so they are comparable.
Loading them with something else just makes one of them priority 0.
We already have that with EP and art of war. We also have TS combo as well. Adding HoW to the mix is over kill and for balance, keeps HoW weak.
Both needs to be removed so HoW can be propped back up to execute damage status.
CAN YOU PLEASE READ WHAT I TYPED IN THAT SENTENCE! I LITERALLY ALREADY MENTIONED THAT!
The disrespect I swear.
It also needs to be cut from FV at the least. You can’t expect to have an execute level of damage as long as it can be used as often as it does now even without wings. Unless you want an very heavy handed pvp modifier put on it to make it still worthless.
Your the one not understanding here.
Priority is:
ES (if talented)
Wake
Judgement
TS (if talented)
Boj (unless in tier set, then above TS)
FV/DS (unless your gonna pass max HP, but even then it’s questionable)
HoW
You hold on to the HoW proc until you have nothing else to press or it is about to expire. The only exception is anshe procs, which then you can place that above TS/BoJ. I am not including dps CD’s like toll/wings/FR in the list.
It’s not unintentional, it just the old vanguard’s momentum legendary effect put as talent, thought they couldn’t bother to copy the tool tip and missed mentioning the dmg increase.
EP procs a finisher and doesn’t even exist in normal ST builds. Art of war procs a BoJ, which has 2 charges, it doesn’t change your priority. HoW having extra dmg to in fact change priority is what the point is.
Never going to happen, you can keep dreaming, they’ll never make HoW do that much dmg to overcome all those lost procs and wings allowances.
You mentioned that, but you didn’t put stock in it, that’s the issue, you don’t understand that An’she is a real proc because it makes HoW worth using, while EW procs are lower in number while proccing a NORMAL DAMAGE HOW, which NOBODY takes, because it’s that crap.
If you can’t see that 1 An’she is better, 2 EW is not even used, means that An’she makes HoW special to Herald as opposed to not even using the EW talent on Templar because it’s not worth using.
It doesn’t, FV has a bigger importance because it procs HoW.
Nobody gives a crap about pvp, everything has pvp modifiers there, they can put it on anything so it’s irrelevant.
You clearly can’t understand how adding a proc to Judge or BoJ puts it above one another?
Your priority there isn’t good, you put Judgment above BoJ only if next you use a finisher like FV or Hammer of Light to make use of it, you prioritize BoJ to start the 1st cooldown charge and to debuff the enemy with Expurgation if they don’t have it.
