86-88 in soloshuffle. How the mighty has fallen, negative winrate as top 1 world ret… damn this reminds me of something … ho yea prot paladin lol. Ret is getting the same treatment right now as prot did for all of DF.
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i dont remember anyone asking high key
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Ret sucks at the start of every season, been like that for the last 2 xpacs.
In before a blue class will come and remind everyone for the 30th time about ret warr 4 years ago and retpocalypse patch 
Everyone would come together in world peace if this were true.
The prot player that is at least 32147656 Tiers below Vanguards is trying to to be mouthy… That’s funny.
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Vanguards: Wrath-DF 40+ R1s and 3’s comp named after him
The north remembers, rest well sweet prince
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He’s still better than you and will still get rank 1 this season even if ret sucks.
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arent all win rates 50/50 lol
You’re meant to even out to a 50% as you approach your correct winrate assuming ample games played, yeah. Due to mmr rolling over there’ll be a lot of people going slightly negi or flat early because they aren’t getting that free 60-90% winrate for a few dozen games.
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I’ve only played two shuffles since the buffs, but overall my win rate is complete and utter trash lol
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Father time comes for us all
My 22 rets are going to bed lol,before buffed I dont wanna play arena,even I have just only play ret over 19 years .I feel worst in this season since TBC.
Its time to enjoy life,lol
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Ret not good right now? Love to see it.
I dunno, I feel like ret’s identity since TWW and tbh end of dragonflight has been a utility bot for fury war/bm hunter/demo lock.
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the support it provides is still crazy but it doesn’t do any meaningful dam itself. Also lots of the talents are super buggy.
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It’s kind of nice that ret is a bit weak, the entire time I’ve played it’s been fairly strong at all times. I also have a feeling ret is going to float to top three melee as other specs get tuned down.
Oh yeah insane tool kit and it’s so easy to use. Like healer is in a stun? Ret can just sanc it. Teammate with low HP? LoH will fix that. They just have so much and it’s one button away.
Having high damage on top of all that is so insane to me.
I doubt he was ever really that good probably just gets carried by the same buddies every season
You really believe this? Vanguards isn’t getting carried by the cabal he is the cabal.