in warcraft 3 you can sense that arthas is acting on his emotion and that his struggle is personal, not for the sake of the kingdom. that said, the recent uther cinematic definitely casts arthas in a sympathetic light and it’s justified. he is defenseless in uther’s hands when uther decides to cast his soul into the maw. this makes uther look a lot like arthas back in wc3, acting purely on his own desire. that is enough to reconsider the actions of these two characters.
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There’s nothing in me asking for an Arthas redemption. I thought we were tired of villains being redeemed? Arthas was a villain, through and through.
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Arthas was warned what would happen if he continued to aggressively fight his enemies. That warning came before the culling of Stratholme. His only recourse, at that point, was to get those who were not infected out of Lordaeron. Instead, he chose to add more dead bodies to the pile, which would only benefit the Scourge.
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It sorta worked. Anyone that was killed and had their body burned didn’t come back as Scourge, although some became ghosts wandering Stratholme. If Arthas didn’t purge the city, all of its citizens would have come back as Scourge.
The reason why Stratholme is controlled by the Scourge in WoW is because the Scourge came back.
Monsters will be monsters, but the worst is when they cry and moan when facing the gallows. “I was only obeying orders”. “I was only doing my duty”. Now your duty is to face the music, pay the piper. Be a monster now… if you can.
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Finish the sentence!!!
Please.
I cant believe we are still debating this, what Arthas did in Stratholme was WRONG. He was literally given a warning just beforehand by Medivh about how the harder he struck his enemy they stronger they would actually be. The fact Stratholme burns to this day is proof of it.
Second, had Jaina or Uther joined Arthas, I would suspect we would all end up fighting two new Death Knights in Northrend. Jaina was even given a vision where she ended up the Lich Queen because she followed Arthas.
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I feel like everybody who thinks arthas shouldn’t be thrown into the hell pit would say the exact opposite about sylvanas even though they’re very similar at this point. Frustrating.
I would have done the same thing as Uther (even though spoilers lets us know that he regrets doing it.)
How would they know who was infected and who wasn’t. Remember this was a plague and the food was Contaminated.
The warnings don’t matter when it comes to him knowing what it can do how quickly it can turn. He 100% made the right choice in that scenario.
During WotLK i was secretly hoping we would have been able to save Arthas after killing the LK and he would have come back and helped lead the alliance.
Ok, I think what Uther did was wrong, but thisbstory idea stinks as well.
Also in the afterlife, I can’t blame him for what he did to arthas, even though what he did was a defilement of the entire process. At the end of the day, Uthers soul is broken because of what Arthas did. Can Uther be completely blamed for what he did in the afterlife, considering he has only part of his soul? You just want to forgive Arthas for doing that to Uther? Any being that harms or destroys souls like this, does in fact, probably deserve the Maw. Uthers soul did NOT deserve to be ripped and shredded like that, and i am not convinced Uthers actions are totally his own in the afterlife because of it.
What? It’s fairly clear you don’t have much experience with ethics. Morality isn’t objective, it’s subjective. In other words, morality is situational. It’s not cold or calculating and if you’re not using feelings, logic and even desires, your doing it wrong. Also “Morality just is.” might be the worst statement ever made on the subject. Morality doesn’t exist without a mind, it is because we thought it was.
Also, you should probably not argue ethics if you spell morality wrong…
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Anduin was kept prisioner by a bunch of monkeys!!!
Uther made some mistakes, sure, but if you think he’s a monster who deserves an eternity of suffering you are completely blind to any nuance whatsoever.
Grain from Andorhal was not shipped to all of Lordaeron. There were plenty of people who were not even in question. As far as the boroughs who did receive shipments from Andorhal, the Kirin Tor offered to implement quarantines. They could have worked from there.
The warning was the everything, especially when Arthas chose to ignore it, and it played out exactly as it was said it would play out.
The culling of Stratholme was not about Arthas saving his people. It was about not letting Mal’Ganis win. Nothing was done to ensure the safety of those who remained unaffected at that point.
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The new crop of Blizzard writers hate paladin lore so you may get your wish. They unceremoniously killed Tirion in Legion, made Turalyon a simp before Alleria, and now they are destroying the legacy of the one that started it all, Uther.
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Never said it went to all of lorderon. It did go to strat though. And they did already consume it. Quarantine would have taken to long, Arthas knew that. Also most quarantines that turn people into zombies as well as can turn others into zombies ends 1 of 2 ways. Everyone is killed by the plague or everyone is killed trying to flee. End of the day they where all doomed. Arthas did what he had to do so that it wouldn’t spread to the rest of Lorderon. He also didnt let people experience a fate worse then death.
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No, he did not. All of Lordaeron ended up falling to the dead. The culling of Stratholme did nothing, just as Arthas was warned.
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Arthas, before becoming a Death Knight thought that he was doing the right thing in purging Strathholm where the plague was at the starting point. Now for calling Uther a monster, he was the teacher but he felt there should have been a different way then purging a whole city. Both men had different opinions on the whole thing. Uther wanted to take time to see if they can save the city. Arthas wanted to to take direct action.
Now pay attention to the end of the After Lives video, Uther hesitates for a moment and right there he noticed, the Arthas that killed his king, his people wasn’t the same Arthas he was holding over the maw when he said “he’s still my student” it was Devos who continued to tell Uther by saying “For revenge”.
So really Uther was only being manipulated by Devos when it came to Arthas being tossed into the maw when she was convinced he was a servant of the Maw without knowing the full story, only a vision of Uther’s past. In fact, Arthas knew nothing of Frostmourne until told his friend and his company were looking for it.
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No you misunderstand so I want you to tell me. When did Lorderon fall at what point did it fall.