Not vengeance…justice!
https://i.gyazo.com/e6ca0043d4d1589bbdb7f537183f9ff8.png shows that even World reapers who wipe out entire Worlds go to Revendreth not the Maw!
The difference between Arthas and WotLK Sylvanas is that Sylvanas shows no remorse when dying and unlike even the Lich King didn’t attempt to justify herself seeing the Forsaken as nothing more than Arrows in her Quiver.
It took being thrown into the Maw to get her to start justifying her Crimes while Arthas always justified or felt slight twinges of remorse for his actions even as the Lich King(who ditched/shoved into Frostmourne the remorse for simple justification)!
It is hard to say when the actual fall took place. But that is besides the point. The point is that Arthas was in the process of damning himself and the rest of Lordaeron. He was warned to change course to which his response was “I don’t care…”
No one listened to Medivh aside from Jaina Proudmoore! Not Arthas, not Antonidas and not Terenas.
#UtherDidNothingWrong
And i say it for real. Garrosh deserves what it brought upon hinself, so did arthas and so will sylvannas.
I love those character i mentioned, but from all of that, Uther did the least damage.
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LOL so is this excuse for Arthas the whole “Don’t blame me, blame society” bunk?
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ummmm no its not…try again. Thinking morality is subjective is what enables atrocities to occur.
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not murder
Respect those that came before you
Help your Neighbor
Treat others how you would like to be treated
These are the essence of morality. These define what is right or wrong. Every moral code contains them in one form or another, even the vague ones.
And autocorrect is a son of a gun…I went back to look and yes its not spelled correctly. I left it because you got the point anyway.
remember Uther soul is divided by Frostmourne, maybe that make he “evil”
Urgh this thread.
Uther was way greather than Arthar. He was the Paladin.
If Uther was so Great why didn’t he reason with Arthases men. Why didn’t he forcefully stop the prince.
He is just as guilty for letting it happen when he had the ability to stop it.
But he knew Arthas was right.
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Actually, it’s the opposite, most atrocities occur because of objective morality. The inability to question a moral leads to blindly following moral codes that are flawed.
For example, Do not steal. Yes, on the surface it seems sound but what if you family is starving under the rule of a greedy king. Is it moral to allow your family and yourself to die to uphold this moral code.
And to bring it back around to the topic. One of the questions you face in ethics is the trolley car. A trolley car is speeding toward a group of people, there is a lever you can pull to switch tracks, but there is a child on that track. There is no way to stop the cart, do you pull the lever and save the group or spare the child and let the group die?
This is the basic moral conundrum that Arthas and Uther faced. One city or one kingdom. Arthas pulled the lever and through his actions he is deemed a murderer. Uther walked away and through his inaction, would have killed more.
You can say that Uther wasn’t a murderer directly and so on the face, he appears more moral. However, a deeper look suggests that Arthas saved more people by acting.
Obviously, additional actions eventually lead to Arthas destroying the kingdom anyway, but again it is Uther who continues to fail to act, also contributing to its eventual downfall.
Morality simply isn’t that simple.
Arthas purged strathholme
Arthas gave into Frostmourne
Arthas killed his father
Arthas became a tyrant.
None of those are Uther’s doing , none of them could have been prevented other than treason because Arthas outranks Uther as Prince
Uther is a monster.
100% agree.
The only thing worse was Devos whispering in his ear, urging him to cast poor Arthas into the Maw.
I hope Uther and Devos are both punished for betraying the Kyrians will and Arthas’s soul can be reached to at least face the proper way to eternally judge his soul. Even if it still amounts to the same fate, everyones soul deserves that same fairness.
I mean, were talking about the fate of an eternal soul here!
And I’m not entirely convinced that Arthas himself should be tried and judged as The Actual Lich King.
He should be judged on his deeds before fusing with the Lich King.
Arthas isn’t a good person, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have got his fair judgement by the Arbiter.
Uther indirectly is a vengeful person who should be punished for his actions.
Devos too.
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agreed, BUT! the cinematic shows that the arbiter is willfully choosing to ignore the fact that uther got into bastion with a wound from frostmourne, which means that the entire system is broken as devos tries to explain. so, while arthas does deserve to be judged fairly, AND uther/devos are doing some shady stuff, something about frostmourne broke the function of the shadowlands so it makes some sense to take it into their own hands, but they’re probably causing more problems than solving, acting on their emotions.