Right now, there are many players that are upset about the Leaver function. We need clarification on many aspects of it, but right now there is a glaring issue.
Players are saying that, in order to bypass the Mark or any future punishment system, that instead of continuing to play as they normally would, at their full skill level, they will instead switch to OBR and watch TV.
Now, I know, and you and everybody knows, Blizzard is never going to action someone just because they use OBR or are a bad player. But I think it is very clear that Blizzard should be able to know when a player uses their entire kit, but only switches to OBR as a means of tacit leaving.
Can we get confirmation that using OBR to âtacitly leaveâ, as I am putting it, is a reportable offense? Can we get clarification on the Leaver system as a whole?
No, using a function that Blizzard implemented into the game will not ever be actionable. Thatâs ridiculous. If someone wants to watch TV while theyâre using it, then thatâs up to them. Blizzard made that option available.
Behavior that intentionally detracts from othersâ enjoyment (such as griefing, throwing, feeding, etc.) is unacceptable. We expect our players to treat each other with respect and promote an enjoyable environment. Acceptable behavior is determined by player reports and Blizzardâs decision, and violating these guidelines will result in account and gameplay restrictions.
The two key phrases in that quote are âgriefingâ, and âthrowingâ.
Blizzard has clear defined usages of OBR, in the announcement:
âFor those who want or need a little extra help, This assistant is designed to aid those who are looking for additional help, or for those who want to experience the story or game on a more casual basis.â
Using OBR as a way to avoid using another Blizzard feature, /abandon, and to avoid a punishment, would logically be an actionable offense.
âŚPerson replied to my question, which was pretty much directed at a Blue, so we could get clarification, with a clear statement of no, and then you chime in with a ânobody knowsââŚ
Which further serves as evidence that Blizzard needs to tell us more.
And now, I ask you, whats with the third degree about my reply?
If you want to give yoru feedback on on rules and what can or canât be against said rules, general would be the place or in-game suggestion box. The CS forum isnât a place for debate, nor the blues here would know some random off chance rule for something. Even then, the ones who make such calls ainât in the CS forum.
Many people are unaware that any kind of argument or advocacy here is a waste of electrons and attention.
Also, many people are unaware that no one is in a position to demand a response from a Blizzard employee, or a ruling in advance as to whether an arguable action violates any stated or unstated rule. (Hint: historically, âgriefingâ nearly never applies to situations that people claiming to have been griefed think it should.)
Suggestions on policy belong in a non-Support forum like General Discussion or Dungeons, Raids, and Scenarios.
Using a system that Blizzard introduced is not a âreportable offenseâ. I mean, you can report it if you want to, but nothing will be done.
To add to that, âgriefingâ is not something that is actionable in WoW. In fact, the only time I have ever seen Blizzard refer to it as something theyâve taken action on was when they used their internal logs to determine if/when players were abandoning more than 50% of their mythic+ games. Otherwise, itâs never been something that theyâve actioned in WoW.
While they may choose to provide more info, asking specifically for a blue is frowned upon in the forums. Just a heads-up.
So to answer your overall question, using one button rotations is not a violation of the rules. Your determination that itâs âgriefingâ is also not actionable.
No, you THINK it is. Anyone who needs to use such, the OBR, isnât breaking the rule. The Cs forum isnât try to rules lawyer into getting folks action.
I would say the short answer is no the long answer is âit dependsâ doing it once or twice is not gonna do anything doing it repeatedly 20 or 40 times is maybe (and thatâs a huge maybe at that). Overall, the system is meant to go after people who are leaving prematurely on purpose, sandbagging or just under performing is not what the system is designed to enforce. In that case, you would just have to put them on ignore if you believe they are actively sabotaging you like that.
The meaningful* threshold for declaring a behavior to be âgriefingâ is very high and generally requires pervasiveness and large-area affect (like denying the use of an entire town).
*âMeaningfulâ means "in the opinion of the GM assessing the report, not the player reporting.
Players are NOT required to perform at their best in those activities. Theyâre required to participate. Thatâs it. If theyâre sitting afk in the corner, that may be reportable. Using OBR is not. If Blizzard didnât want OBR useable in M+, they wouldnât have made it useable in M+. Period.
I am not asking if bad players will be actioned. Of course they wont. I am asking if the wording of the CoC in regards to griefing and throwing applies to purposefully switching to OBR as a method of punishment avoidance.
Yes, for their entire gaming portfolio. Itâs enforced in some of their other games. Unfortunately, in a game like WoW, everything anyone doesnât like it âgriefingâ.