Sure, obviously you…the holy paladin, think that holy paladin should do the most damage of all the healers and the most healing of all the healers and should be able to do both at once, but that isn’t reasomable from a design standpoint. There needs to be give and take.
Justify to me why you think you should do more damage than a healer that needs to stop healing to do damage.
8% nerf is better than anything that could have been hoped for. I was fully expecting a 10-20% nerf in healing. There is nothing to cry about here lol only babies that want to godmode things 
Some people can’t handle all the money and fame
So, I agree. From the fire mage perspective, I think the problem is the 5% blanket nerf meant to bring down their ST. The reason this is a concern is because as of right now, advanced combat log isn’t applying the increased ignite damage from aug buffs to the evoker. So, once that bug is corrected, and the ST nerfs are applied, their ST could take an overly significant hit.
Other than that, the AoE nerfs are perfectly reasonable, imo.
metas have not disappeared at all this expansion
If damage is part of the healing rotation it feels bad for that damage to be low
Like, I’m not making a mathematical argument here - I’m just saying that I can totally understand why it would feel bad for a healer that’s expected to DPS to improve their heals to appear to do less damage than a healer that doesn’t have to DPS
I am, to be clear, not actually complaining about these nerfs because, like I said, Holy is still fine.
Thank you. A major concern I have is Affliction warlock… they are unviable in Arena and PVE content due to the ramp up time it takes, with GCD, taking a minimum of 12 seconds before all spells are off… with over half of those spells being hard cast and the other half needing another 12 seconds to reach maturity before they start doing damage… With Demo and Destr Locks, its a skill issue to be beaten down… with affliciton you are bottom D tier at best. Please fix the GCD issues, the ramp up time, or the spec entirely… in 24 seconds, your dots and the terrible malefic rapture can’t come anywhere near out dpsing the most handicapped HPS healer to overcome the dots.
5%~10% reduce ???
Mage is now become garbage again…
Well today was the missed deadline for the merger. I think the imp is angry sales are down so he’s gotta make it rain down someone’s neck.
Gotta make sure to punish Pallies for the sins of Augmentation Evokers.
They’re still going to be top dps in keys. Instead of doing 330k dps on 5 target cleave you do 300k. That’s still 10-15% more than most dps classes can do atm.
H Pals (even without Aug) are still doing 50-60k dps which is almost 50% higher than every other healer. They also have good utility + healing so they’ll still be S-tier. They’d have to nerf their damage + healing by way more to actually bring them down to the level of everyone else.
Aug Evokers are an enigma because they’re almost not as good in raid as they are in dungeons and nerfing them too much would make people dump them in a heartbeat.
Bear tanks just have strong dps + group healing + mitigation. They just need some minor nerfs if anything because VDKs and Prot Palys can perform just as well if played by good tanks.
What I hate about this is that its only aimed at dungeons and grouped content, meanwhile we’re going back to getting killed by simple mobs in outworld
why would you nerf GD genius? first time in ages GD is bis. Veng havoc was dominating keys. in SL it was Brew, then Blood. GD is due to be meta a long time ago. just stop crying and play the damn game.
First time in ages? Some of the highest tanks in 10.1 were guardian druid. He was literally at the top and that was BEFORE the changes.
Just stop crying and do some research first.
Decent? Ahh yes Fire was trying to return to it’s 8.3 levels of absolutely broken where it made everyone else irrelevent.
That’s been rectified and the spec shall be dumpstered soon as it should be, This is what balance is you should get used to it.
This is really overkill, please reconsider cutting that number in half.
there was 2 out of like 30 veng dh genius. i know exactly how the ladder was… guess why… cause i play vengance einstein.
I play frost, not fire, and even fire seemed ok in my level of play. It might have been broken in M+ meta with the constant AoE needed though.
Frost didn’t need any changes at all, other than maybe removing their new CoC idea.
Our GM has his reasons.
I just do as I’m told 
Kaivax, this is not exclusive to the holy pally nerfs, but this is done every time with healers, an axe is used rather than a scalpel to fine tune. Why not buff underperformers, you know that’s easier to accept rather than the community feeling like something is being taken away by being nerfed.