Unsustainable Rated PvP System: Solutions

[Nasrajin-sargeras]

@Stigz-illidan

I agree, but it’s a human nature problem not even specific to the WoW community. For the majority, it’s always more fun to play offense than it is defense.

Yes. A majority of people prefer to feel that they’re the one making the win happen. Further, if you make a mistake as a dps, usually the outcome is just that you don’t win, where if you make a mistake as a healer you almost certainly lose right there. These two factors are the biggest reasons why people don’t heal.

@Stigz-illidan

we have to get away from requiring their presence for a queue to pop.

I absolutely disagree. The game is and always has been balanced around the presence of healers and most classes don’t function without a healer. You would need to rebalance the ENTIRETY of pvp… just so you could get slightly faster Qs? That’s absurd. This is very much a “you think you do, but you don’t”.

@Stigz-illidan

That’s literally what is happening right now, healers are playing outside their MMR/CR for queues to pop, so what do you mean?

If healers got MMR for going 3-3 every time, then they would almost always be playing at a higher level than they are experienced to do. Yes, it does happen sometimes and it’s bad for everyone involved when it does. If you got MMR for going 3-3, it would happen EVERY time.

You cannot make a change that disproportionately rewards healers for going even.

@Stigz-illidan

I’m not suggesting game design changes, just system changes.

You are, though. To make a game mode without healers would invalidate well over half of the specs.

@Stigz-illidan

I am frustrated by the queue times, but not just at its face value in game, but because how its driving away our playerbase.

I hear you, long Qs can be frustrating, but what would be significantly more detrimental and frustrating to players would be them “auto losing in champ select” because they didn’t get a healer.

@Stigz-illidan

What are new players supposed to do that are trying to get in to arena and have no friends? How are we supposed to continually build a PvP community if they have no way to participate in arena in a timely manner without in game friends? Plays into my point that these systems are unsustainable, we can’t even retain new players trying arena.

I think that the first change that needs to be made to introduce players to pvp and address retention would be something akin to big debuffs baseline. There are far too many important abilities that can instantly end the game if not responded to and aren’t immediately visible. This makes it REALLY hard for new people to learn. Also DRs are similarly important and not directly viewable.

Also, what I think would be a really helpful change would to help with…

@Stigz-illidan

Now I’m thinking ahead about how yes now they can all get conquest, practice their class, etc…

6v6 solo Q RBGs with 1 healer.
Instead of 1 healer per 2 dps ratio it can be 1 healer for 5 dps; 2.5x more efficient.
Also, I’m fairly certain that BGs would be a LOT more popular to the average player than arenas.

Also there’s zero reason healers shouldnt get gold bags for winning games (it would have to be winning so people dont just sign up to int 0-6 for a gold bag). There is already next to no pvp gold income where gear/enchants are arguable more important.