Unpopular opinion, the game would be just fine without M+

Onomonopeia-darkspear · February 24, 2021, 1:33am

Thats kind of the point though. WoW has pumped so much time and effort into becoming an Esports game to keep up with the latest trends that the core game has suffered.

Gallows-korialstrasz · February 24, 2021, 1:36am

Pulls up a chair

Taliésin-thunderlord · February 24, 2021, 1:52am

M+, easy gear? Easy to assemble a competent group?

What? What?

Eijian-wyrmrest-accord · February 24, 2021, 2:05am

there was someone that said they didn’t “have time” to raid. who then complained they played for 40+ hours in one week and that the gear they got from mythic+ was unacceptable. 40+ hours and 3874593475 dungeons and you couldn’t do a raid in that time instead?

the truth is it’s that’s mythic+ is more convenient and easier so you get more chances at gear more quickly. that’s the main difference vs raiding.

yes some people can fit in a dungeon or two a week. but those people could also PUG a raid and do a few bosses and get more chances in that same time frame.

so.

Zuldazar-malganis · February 24, 2021, 2:07am

tl;dr: mdps mad about getting declined from M+

Jayawan-moon-guard · February 24, 2021, 2:11am

I haven’t touched M+ in SL lol. You guys need to come up with better rebuttals. By the way, snarky responses like this just proves my point even further.

Sylvaede-kelthuzad · February 24, 2021, 2:13am

Clearly you don’t tank cause tanking is a snoozefest without it

Jayawan-moon-guard · February 24, 2021, 2:14am

Kiting mobs is fun?

Sylvaede-kelthuzad · February 24, 2021, 2:14am

The face tank thing only happens in high keys. Plus im a G-druid so I still can face tank anyway lol

Zuldazar-malganis · February 24, 2021, 2:15am

then why do you care about content you don’t even play?

Jayawan-moon-guard · February 24, 2021, 2:15am

Because it has an effect on the entire game, duh!

Namnams-bigglesworth · February 24, 2021, 2:15am

A simple fix is to remove the time constraints but still provide the side of M+ that caters to those that love the speed run aspect. I think people would be a lot more relaxed if we weren’t expected to play this game like cogs in a machine.

Zlo-draenor · February 24, 2021, 2:15am

Jayawan:

Disclaimer This is an opinion and I don’t have any data to back up claims here.

I’ve been seeing this debate now rage on for years over M+ and how WoW would whither and die without it now. I completely disagree!!! The fact that the older versions of the game existed just fine without this Diablofication of the dungeon content speaks volumes in my opinion.

I personally think the only reason M+ gets any attention from the bulk of the casual player base is due to it’s ease of assembling groups for it and the fact that it gives people access to raid level gear without the hassle of raiding. I’d wager that a lot of players really don’t enjoy it, they just like the easy gear.

I doubt many people that signed up to play a MMORPGs envisioned speed running dungeons as a fun activity. I’d argue that most MMORPG players are probably fans of DnD which WoW and many other MMORPGs drew their inspiration from. Could you imagine sitting down to speed run a DnD session with your friends? Seems pretty ridiculous huh?

Anyway, I know that M+ is optional content, but one could argue that it does have an impact on the rest of the game. The e-sport nature that is based on has for sure influenced player behavior in the dungeon scene both in M+ and non M+ dungeons.

I know M+ isn’t going anywhere, but it is nice to fantasize a version of hard dungeon content that isn’t based around FOTM classes, gimmicky afixes and having it’s main objective to beat a timer. I know you can ignore the timer, but this really limits your chances of fielding a group for it.

Thanks for listening!

You would rather be stuck in a long raid for half of the day trying to down the boss over and over again? In my opinion M+ are a lot more time efficient and there is often a high chance of success within the same run.

Jayawan-moon-guard · February 24, 2021, 2:16am

I’d rather dungeons be dungeons again, instead of hallways of trash mobs.

Rhythalia-stormrage · February 24, 2021, 2:17am

I dont like M+. This is one of the reason I quit Diablo 3. Its just even more repetitive content.

Raiding is better. Loot tables from bosses are guaranteed the same. Droprates is another matter.

Zlo-draenor · February 24, 2021, 2:17am

How is it different from raid dungeons that have just as many trash mobs before each boss?

Zuldazar-malganis · February 24, 2021, 2:18am

You’ll have to elaborate that excuse further; everything has an effect on the entire game.

Jayawan-moon-guard · February 24, 2021, 2:19am

apples and oranges

Jayawan-moon-guard · February 24, 2021, 2:20am

Why? You are are going to just reply with some snarky 1 sentence response like “git gud noob”

Jhannae-bronzebeard · February 24, 2021, 2:21am

WoW has been with us for 15 years. We destroyed Normal Dungeon difficulty of Classic. We destroyed heroic difficulty … is it introduced in BC or WoTLK? Anyway, we graduated from those lowbie difficulties and we need harder content. Mythic+ was invented on Legion. It has unlimited difficulty. And many loved it.

We dont want to go back to easier difficulties of the past. We want challenging. 15 years of WoW and still cant beat Heroic 5-man? Man, step up your game.

Btw, M+ is not about speed run if you are smart. It should be about avoiding death or wipes so you wont get timer penalties. If you dont know this, play more M+. Blizz should slam people on their screen of their number of deaths if they fail the timer. Becoz it’s not speed that failed the group, it’s their number of deaths/wipes.