LFR does two things:
it gives people easy access to content while at the same time it gives people access to the story and and a means to improve their character.
it justifies the time and expense spent on raids. Without the huge number of people that only do LFR it would be Not make financial sense to spend so many resources developing raids.
ok…and…we are TELLING you ‘not interested’.
So at what point after you offered to fix my car and Ive told you every day for 6 months that I DONT WANT you to fix my car that you either finally figure it out…or I end up saying something to hurt your feelings?
You claim you are just out for my best interest, but I KNOW what my best interests are and dont need to be told by someone else what they are.
So even if your argument reflected the facts of all the threads weve seen in here, there is the FACT that WE HAVE SAID quite clearly we DONT WANT to join your guilds or run your ‘real’ raids.
In my mind at a point it falls on you to stop talking about.
And to add…at that point its pretty rude to keep doing it.
Same here i got zero interest in Normal+ raiding well said! Plus all the guilds i had been part of had drama except one wasn’t worth the chance anymore for me.
ur just jealous lfr raiders can get their raid done but u can’t
Oh yea, calling them “LFR Heroes”, that will get them into raiding. If you want to be condescending, at the very least own it. Don’t act as if you’re really doing this to help them out.
Then why should we bother trying to recruit players such as yourself? You’re clearly not the type of player we’d want to recruit.
It’s counterproductive to your argument to say “GO FIND EM ELSEWHERE.” Besides, most recruitment isn’t done this way – it’s solo players seeking a guild to call home.
I’m pretty sure you know the glaring differences between LFR and “real raiding.” You’ve already made up your mind. We’re trying to reach the audience who is sitting on the fence. If you’re happy with LFR, so be it – have fun. If you’re unsure if you’d like to raid, we’ll give you some reasons to try it out – it takes a lot more effort, but it goes well beyond collecting loot. Building relationships that potentially last for years is pretty nice. I have an internet friend I met through raiding – known him for 10 years now, never met him in person, but the dude is a bro.
If you don’t want to raid Normal+, so be it. But that doesn’t make your biases right or wrong. It’s just your opinion, and that’s all it ever will be.
Im more of a war hero lately anyways aka warfronts i find it funny people still use that term and imho warfronts are alot worse with ilvl 370 gear coming from them.
I’m more casual than the LFR Heroes. You’re all elitists compared to me. (You should probably read more of my responses before passing judgement.)
It’s an unpopular opinion because it is a bad opinion. LFR does what it needs to do. It does not need removed, it does not need changed. If you don’t like it, don’t do it. If people want more challenge, they will go out and find it. If they don’t, then they can stay in LFR, as it is made for them. Stop complaining about it.
3 topics that need never be made again; Flying, High Elves, LFR. Just stop it.
EXACTLY. YOU SHOULDNT
And that goes for MOST of the PRO LFR players in here who have REPEATEDLY told you all that we ARENT interested.
so if and when WE WANT to run a raid, WE use LFR…which has no bearing on your game whatsoever.
So you can go run your raids in peace and we can LFR in peace.
EXCEPT…that you all wont stop making threads like this one crying about LFR that doesnt affect your game at all.
As I said…at a point its just being rude to keep railing about our NOT wanting to do anything but LFR.
AND…as I said…if you REALLY were here to recruit then these threads ARENT required.
The forum would instead be filled with recruiting threads.
But it isnt, now is it?
and yes…I HAVE made up my mind.
Watching the bad behavior of ‘real’ raiders who came into LFR seemingly just to disrupt made me realize I wanted nothing to do wit them.
Seeing the elitist nonsense on this forum only confirmed it for me.
If we WANTED to move beyond LFR we would.
We dont…and so we wont.
it really is that simple.
And my opinions are what determines MY choices in life.
I dont want to raid with you…so I wont.
I assure you that opinion is the same for a huge number of LFR players.
We play LFR because thats what we WANT to play.
Seems simple until someone makes it complicated.
It does seem quite simple, doesnt it.
it was the attitude of raiders that turned me off to raiding. Not the raiding itself.
Thankfully enough of them came into LFR and make a spectacle of themselves for me to see.
Then seeing how they talk in here just cemented the fact that I want nothing to do with their guilds or their raids.
I play this game to enjoy my free time.
Not to be neck deep in drama.
You said what you said, I don’t feel like I quoted you out of context. The point I’m trying to make is that calling them that doesn’t accomplish anything. I don’t understand the draw of LFR at this point either. But I don’t find pvp fun either, or island expeditions. But I’m also not calling for the removal of them either. I feel a lot of this comes down people not wanting other people to have what they have, and if I don’t like it then it needs to go.
I don’t see this a causal vs hardcore thing. I don’t see mythic raiders in here complaining about it. I’ll bet there are some wanabe mythic raiders complaining about though.
So don’t try to “recruit” players whom don’t wish to be recruited and are happy playing as they wish. Some not all, casual players are past heroic/hard mode raiders from the past. We are not necessarily “new” and want or need your hand holding we have jobs/families and not as much time as we did in the past.
As I say in all these threads, you do you and mind your own business and we will all be fine.
heh…now that you mention it. ![:joy:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/joy.png?v=6" ":joy:")
I think every time Ive checked the details of people making these threads they often have MORE LFR done than ‘real’ raiding.
Something tells me that the hardcore raiders who really enjoy it and excel at it ARENT in here railing on LFR much…if at all.
You understand how silly that sounds, right?
Honestly, not true. Some people are afraid that “real raiding” is extremely difficult. They see these top-tier Mythic raiders and think “that must be real raiding… that’s too much for me.”
“Real raiding” is much more difficult than LFR, but most “real raiders” are pretty helpful – the social guilds do an excellent job of ushering in new players to the scene.
To use a personal example, we just had to recruit a tank for Heroic Uldir because my co-tank has some issues going on and cannot play anymore. New recruit, never tanked Uldir (not even LFR). We got an AOTC progression kill on G’huun. The new guy was really thankful for the chance and learned a lot. He was nervous AF, but we downed a pretty difficult boss. He felt a lot more relaxed during the after-raid chat (you could tell in his voice).
Now, you may not be like the recruit I just told you about, but there are a huge number of players exactly like him. He was able to take the dive to get back into raiding. Some players need a nudge.
If we WANTED to move beyond LFR we would.
We dont…and so we wont.
I think you and I have exchanged all the opinions we need to here.
Have a nice day.
LFR exist because otherwise Blizzard could no longer justify wasting resources for “Raid content” only 2% of the player base was ever going to see
This is a dying game and you’re complaining about one of the few organs keeping it alive
I wonder if you were around for LFR garrosh when that was current @OP, I spent a good hour in there or so every week in that wing alone and most of the wipes were caused by garrosh and people not knowing how to interrupt a single mind control that took 6-8 seconds to cast.
This is a fair point.
This is more true than most. (FWIW, I’m very much “I don’t like LFR, but it’s not my content. So be it.”)
That’s really what it comes down to. (And what I tried to get across the OP before we started talking about how LFR ruining WoW and other nonsense.)
I didn’t start playing WoW until the Summer of Pre-Legion. I didn’t bother looking at WoW until Mists of Pandaria was announced. That’s when I started watching videos, streams, etc… and I regret not picking up the game then.