Truly has been a blessing watching them use the most niche pathetic arguments to try and leverage support
One even trying to buff PvP specs and lump fury in under the guise of “I want it for everyone”
But how quickly they back pedaled to say that warriors should be the first buff
Oh I feel you brother, is that why unholy dks are weak in pve? Or what about spriest/ele shaman? Are those designated pvp specs too?
Hero class
Keep up
Is spriest your pillar of a dominant spec? That’s where you’re hanging your hat??
to be fair, spriest and ele shaman are performing just fine, better than people expected for sure
But nobody would even be so stupid as to say they’re an over performing spec
Spriest is a hero class. Dang, they must have changed it, maybe even ele shaman is a hero class. Affliction warlock is rank one as well on the ladder. Maybe they’re a hero class.
You’re conflating two entirely separate ideas…
There is a difference between a “hybrid tax” IE: the ability to spec into multiple different roles
and UTILITY IE: useful buffs a class brings aside from simply dps/healing/tanking.
Whether a hybrid tax should exist or not is debatable. On one hand they can’t do both at the same time, but on the other, particularly with dual spec it does potentially bring a little more benefit than a class who can’t spec into another role.
But I don’t think it’s ever been in question whether a class should be able to bring the most useful/stackable buffs WHILE simultaneously being the best at their respective role. Since a character can benefit from both those things at the same time that’s clearly a huge advantage over a class that only does dps or that brings buffs while doing subpar dps…
And in no way is it comparable to the “hybrid tax”
If you wanna differentiate between hybrid and utility, sure… I don’t care. It’s the same thing though.
Just like you can talk yourself into a situation where a hybrid doing comparable dps means the pure class will never come because the hybrid can also heal (or OT), you can also talk yourself into a situation where a class that can bring a lot of utility and also do comparable dps means the class with less utility never gets brought.
Except it turns out, people just care about the deeps 
I think everyone with an opinion doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Take it back to pre UH nerf. Leave it alone. People are acting entitled as if they know what the class balance is supposed to be. Blizzard devs would never do anything that ruins overall gameplay in Azeroth. Ever
I would say warriors cry more than paladins, but it’s just 1 warrior
So a warrior cries more than all ret paladins
Holy priests aren’t viable in pvp nor do they top the healing charts in pve. Blizz needs to drop everything to make holy gameplay more rewarding
Hell yeah brother. It must be a pvp spec because it isn’t good in pve.
BACK OFF. THis is a discussion for real gamers, not the pathetic excuse of a gamer that is a healer main.
They kinda chalked tho. They barely ahead of fury on the meters.
It very much isn’t for the exact reasons I literally just explained…
Being a hybrid doesn’t make you good at 2 things simultaneously. You can be a tank, or you can be a dps, or you can be a healer. But no class has ever been a DPS while doing a healers level of healing output for example…
Utility by way of buffs is something you have SIMULTANESOULY with doing dps/healing etc. If I’m a druid I can dps, or I can heal, but I can’t do both effectively at the same time. But if bring my buffs no matter what. It’s an additive benefit.
It’s not a distinction you can just hand-wave away.
I don’t regularly top the meters and as a flex role shamans aren’t given loot often enough to stay competitive. Can we buff ele and resto to compensate please Blizz daddy?
It’s very much the same concept for the reasons I literally just explained.
I’m not really interested in listening to you explain why you are technically correct for reasons that aren’t relevant to the point I’m trying to make. You can play by yourself.
There is no reason for a hybrid tax or a utility tax. It’s just not necessary.
I’m not technically correct. I’m just good old fashioned plain correct. 
That makes absolutely zero sense. Again for all the reasons I’ve repeated going on 3 times now…
If a class can tank, but isn’t currently tanking, you can make an argument it doesn’t make sense to penalize them while they’re dpsing/healing etc.
But if a class brings a 10% damage buff, it clearly doesn’t make sense that they should do everything else equal to a class that does not bring a 10% damage buff. Because its an additive benefit, on top of what they’re already doing.
This isn’t rocket surgery. Really don’t understand why you’re having such a hard time with it
Among high performing players Warriors are doing okay. The issue is similar to the issue Ferals had where the average player was doing quite a bit worse than that compared to other average played classes.
So, the average Warrior player feels very under powered (and they are). They then get taunted by the player-base about how easy their class is to play (not really true) while simultaneously being told that good Warrior players are doing fine (true). All mostly motivated by other players wanting Warrior players to feel small because they feel butt hurt about classic balance 4 years ago.
This then results in these average Warrior players rising to the bait and coming onto the forums to ask for significant buffs.
The truth is - we need to get gud. But to be a good Fury you have to be really quite good. Easy to play hard to master - it’s just how it is.
I support QoL changes and minor adjustments for Warriors and only because we have as good a case for this as other classes who are receiving attention, but overall I think we are fine.
Hmm. Mighty potential within warriors already but some people whine too much, if there’s to be a change I’d like to see warrior bugs fixed or a very small compensation to make up for them.