Something to add, too, is with Sethrak in the Alliance, it would give a stronger story hook for Bloo Crew involvement in scenarios like Uldir, other that just 'Hey I think baddies are in there.'
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Finally a thread about a non-elf allied race. Snakes would be great
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10/01/2018 11:30 AMPosted by ArothynFinally a thread about a non-elf allied race. Snakes would be great
Finally?
Sethrak and Vulpera threads have been around for a while. The High Elf thread is dead. Only race remotely elven is San'layn, but they don't really count.
The only issue here is that if Sethraks become playable they would be Horde.
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Has there been any new news for Sethrek datamined? It's been awfully quiet. Only Horde get is occasional WQ from Vorrik.
Actually, does Alliance get any WQs from Vorrik when getting 7th Legion rep in Voldun?
Actually, does Alliance get any WQs from Vorrik when getting 7th Legion rep in Voldun?
10/01/2018 11:37 AMPosted by KrenindorThe only issue here is that if Sethraks become playable they would be Horde.
In the current state of the lore, no; there are major cultural issues with this. The Horde's alliance with the Zandalari immediately puts the Sethrak's ambitions of their own empire in jeopardy.
The vulperan skepticism of Vorrik's intentions is another major strike (the Vulpera largely abandoned Vorrik after the siege on Korthek's temple and Nisha refused to help secure the final key stone).
Vorrik advocated for peace and opposed Korthek as he wanted to bring war to the entire world. There's more than a few reasons why he would hesitate to enter into an allegiance with the Horde so long as Sylvanas sits as Warchief.
Finally, Bwonsamdi has been promised to be "elevated above all loa" of the existing pantheon. A faction so devoted to the worship of another Loa, Sethraliss, when they are literally called "The Devoted" might take serious issue with this.
10/01/2018 11:39 AMPosted by SinkasumiHas there been any new news for Sethrek datamined? It's been awfully quiet. Only Horde get is occasional WQ from Vorrik.
Actually, does Alliance get any WQs from Vorrik when getting 7th Legion rep in Voldun?
The Alliance gets that same WQ, yes. Vorrik remains 100% friendly to them.
09/29/2018 06:04 PMPosted by EsaaraOn a scale of 1 to 100, how disappointed are we going to be when they announce the next race for horde is vulpera and for alliance it's junker/mecha gnomes? They are heavily, HEAVILY setting junker or mecha gnomes up in the datamined patch stuff.
I want Sethrak, but I think it's best to um, lower our expectations. Unfortunately.
11. Junker Gnomes are just so redundant.
10/01/2018 09:13 AMPosted by FahrenheitA few thoughts.
As far as Junker Gnomes go, they would be an OK allied race. But just not coupled with Vulpera. There would be a noticeable disparity in the uniqueness factor there. Match Vulpera up with Sethrak and Junker Gnomes up with those undead/vampire Blood Elves (or whatever Blizzard has up their sleeves). I don't care which paring comes in 8.2 and which one come in 8.3, but you need to match them up accordingly, new with new, reskin with reskin. Doing otherwise would obviously be asking for trouble.
Regarding unlocking them. Recruitment likely will be either based on a new rep, or perhaps it will be locked behind the completion of the final chapter of that faction's War Campaign. More story needs to take place for both Vulpera and Sethrak to choose a side and I suspect that it'll come through the form of faction War Campaigns.
Speaking of War Campaigns. My educated guess as to why Vulpera end up joining the Horde and Sethrak join the Alliance is based on 3 individuals. Vorrik, who owes his life to the Alliance Champion and declares his wish to reunify the Sethrak after the fall of Korthek. Nisha, who makes it well known she hates Sethrak and is only working with the devoted Vorrik and Serrik out of respect for the Horde Champion and their Zandarlari friends. And Sylvanas, War Chief of the Horde.
My guess is that after the battle of Zuldazar. Sylvanas wants to consolidate the entirety of the Voldunai into the Horde in a way to regain lost strength after the Alliance raid. The Vulpera are eager to join, Vorrik on the other hand has no ill feelings towards the Alliance, after all they save his life and help take back the Temple of the Devoted before he met a single Horde member. Vorrik says he wishes to stay neutral and work towards reuniting the devoted Sethrak with the now leaderless faithless Sethrak. Nisha, who at best, mistrusts the devoted Sethrak, and outright hates the faithless Sethrak is enraged by Vorrik's willingness to work with those that were once the Vulpera's slavers and conquerors. Tensions flare, and Sylvanas being who she is, delivers an ultimatum with Vorrik, join the Horde or be branded an enemy combatant. Vorrik is in turn pushed toward an alliance with the Alliance, who just so happen to have their largest base on Zandalar right next to the Sethrak. It's a huge, but mostly empty base, with lots of open room for future refugees, perfect for shielding a potential new allied race from their aggressors.
Why I think the Alliance could use Sethrak. Something that is wildly different from our current player race lineup. Blizzard is on the record of wanting to pursue more variation in faction lineups, particularly in wanting to mix it up in terms of giving factions something that 'seems' to be more associated with the other faction. Namely, Alliance gets a more bestial, savage race, and the Horde get a smaller, more "cute" (I believe that's the word used) race. Secondly, the Alliance has no Loa connection right now. Sethrak would be a nice introduction for Loa worship to the Alliance.
This, this, this. And THIS. All of it, yes.
Sethrak for the Alliance or we riot.
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10/01/2018 11:47 AMPosted by Noctyth11. Junker Gnomes are just so redundant.
Pretty much. If Blizzcon rolls around and Junker Gnomes get announced along side Vulpera it's going to be a s*** show.
Blizzard @ Blizzcon: We know you've had dozens of maxed out forum threads, Discord channels, hell, even a player created parades of Sethrak through Stormwind, and Vulpera through Orgimmar. We hear you loud and clear. We understand what you want... Vulpera are joining the Horde in an upcoming patch!!! As for the Alliance, you know that tiny, techie race that like no one plays? We're going do you a solid and create an almost identical, tiny, but even more techie race! Junker Gnomes, literal trash, are joining the Alliance!!!
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10/01/2018 12:04 PMPosted by Fahrenheit10/01/2018 11:47 AMPosted by Noctyth11. Junker Gnomes are just so redundant.
Pretty much. If Blizzcon rolls around and Junker Gnomes get announced along side Vulpera it's going to be a s*** show.
Blizzard @ Blizzcon: We know you've had dozens of maxed out forum threads, Discord channels, hell, even a player created parades of Sethrak through Stormwind, and Vulpera through Orgimmar. We hear you loud and clear. We understand what you want... Vulpera are joining the Horde in an upcoming patch!!! As for the Alliance, you know that tiny, techie race that like no one plays? We're going do you a solid and create an almost identical, tiny, but even more techie race! Junker Gnomes, literal trash, are joining the Alliance!!!
"If you want to play the cool races, the horde is there for you."
6 months post raid patch when the alliance still hasn't had enough mythic guilds able to down the last raid tier boss and unlock cross-realm mythic for everyone:
"WHY IS THE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE HORDE AND ALLIANCE STILL SO BIG???"
IDK guys, it's a mystery.
In the current state of the lore, no; there are major cultural issues with this. The Horde's alliance with the Zandalari immediately puts the Sethrak's ambitions of their own empire in jeopardy.
The vulperan skepticism of Vorrik's intentions is another major strike (the Vulpera largely abandoned Vorrik after the siege on Korthek's temple and Nisha refused to help secure the final key stone).
Vorrik advocated for peace and opposed Korthek as he wanted to bring war to the entire world. There's more than a few reasons why he would hesitate to enter into an allegiance with the Horde so long as Sylvanas sits as Warchief.
Finally, Bwonsamdi has been promised to be "elevated above all loa" of the existing pantheon. A faction so devoted to the worship of another Loa, Sethraliss, when they are literally called "The Devoted" might take serious issue with this.
There is also the elephant in the room of Sylvanas being even more of a faithless tyrant than the faithless tyrant the Sethrak just got through overthrowing.
The only thing that comes out of my head as to why they would make the Sethrak an Alliance race (I'd want them to be Horde so as the Vulpera remain unplayable) is if they pull something like the Nightborne card.
As in, the Horde is initially hostile to all Sethrak until they find Vorrik's group.
On the other hand, the first Alliance contact with them was friendly.
As in, the Horde is initially hostile to all Sethrak until they find Vorrik's group.
On the other hand, the first Alliance contact with them was friendly.
10/01/2018 11:39 AMPosted by SinkasumiHas there been any new news for Sethrek datamined? It's been awfully quiet. Only Horde get is occasional WQ from Vorrik.
Actually, does Alliance get any WQs from Vorrik when getting 7th Legion rep in Voldun?
Unfortunately not really. There hasn't been much on vulpera either. Hoping for something in the next war campaign installment
Temple of Sethraliss is the worst dungeon they have ever designed.
Makes zero sense.
Alliance barely have any dealings with them, we show up and do like 3 quests for them, then do a dungeon with essentially zero context.
I havent played horde vol'dun but i assume they have alot more context for it. It'd be like the horde getting the Drust, it just doesnt make sense.
Alliance barely have any dealings with them, we show up and do like 3 quests for them, then do a dungeon with essentially zero context.
I havent played horde vol'dun but i assume they have alot more context for it. It'd be like the horde getting the Drust, it just doesnt make sense.
Not gonna happen.
The Sethrak empire is an antagonist located on the Horde island. Their ideologies would be in stark contrast to the Alliance.
The Sethrak empire is an antagonist located on the Horde island. Their ideologies would be in stark contrast to the Alliance.
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10/01/2018 09:15 PMPosted by CreepersNot gonna happen.
The Sethrak empire is an antagonist located on the Horde island. Their ideologies would be in stark contrast to the Alliance.
Have you even played the game? The Sethrak are friendly to Alliance.
A thought on why Vulpera and Sethrak would most likely be on opposite factions (aside from fairness to the players). This bit of dialogue from the fight with Korthek stood out to me:
Vorrik has no intention of killing off the Faithless, but instead wants to reunite them under his leadership. With Korthek dead and Sethraliss revived, this seems quite possible. But the Vulpera, particularly the more militant ones like Nisha, might not be too keen on forgiveness. Her dialogue after the fight with Korthek is in stark contrast to Vorrik's:
She's clearly of the "kill 'em all and let Sethraliss sort them out" line of thinking. Seems like the Vulpera would be pretty reluctant to share a faction with former Faithless.
Emperor Korthek: I am the true power of the sethrak!
Vorrik: No. You are our failure. Sethraliss sacrificed herself so we could live in peace. We will keep Mythrax's prison sealed, and I will unite our people.
Vorrik has no intention of killing off the Faithless, but instead wants to reunite them under his leadership. With Korthek dead and Sethraliss revived, this seems quite possible. But the Vulpera, particularly the more militant ones like Nisha, might not be too keen on forgiveness. Her dialogue after the fight with Korthek is in stark contrast to Vorrik's:
Now THAT was a battle worth singing about! It is an honor to fight alongside you and Vorrik. I hope we can do it again soon. There are always more Faithless to kill, afterall.
She's clearly of the "kill 'em all and let Sethraliss sort them out" line of thinking. Seems like the Vulpera would be pretty reluctant to share a faction with former Faithless.
I think Sethrak would make an excellent and unique addition to the Alliance.
However, the Horde currently has Voldunai rep, which seems to effect the Vulpera relationship to the Horde.
Does the Alliance currently have some sort of 'Reputation Grind' that is related to the Sethrak?
However, the Horde currently has Voldunai rep, which seems to effect the Vulpera relationship to the Horde.
Does the Alliance currently have some sort of 'Reputation Grind' that is related to the Sethrak?
10/01/2018 11:41 AMPosted by Rorrand10/01/2018 11:37 AMPosted by KrenindorThe only issue here is that if Sethraks become playable they would be Horde.
In the current state of the lore, no; there are major cultural issues with this. The Horde's alliance with the Zandalari immediately puts the Sethrak's ambitions of their own empire in jeopardy.
The vulperan skepticism of Vorrik's intentions is another major strike (the Vulpera largely abandoned Vorrik after the siege on Korthek's temple and Nisha refused to help secure the final key stone).
Vorrik advocated for peace and opposed Korthek as he wanted to bring war to the entire world. There's more than a few reasons why he would hesitate to enter into an allegiance with the Horde so long as Sylvanas sits as Warchief.
Finally, Bwonsamdi has been promised to be "elevated above all loa" of the existing pantheon. A faction so devoted to the worship of another Loa, Sethraliss, when they are literally called "The Devoted" might take serious issue with this.10/01/2018 11:39 AMPosted by SinkasumiHas there been any new news for Sethrek datamined? It's been awfully quiet. Only Horde get is occasional WQ from Vorrik.
Actually, does Alliance get any WQs from Vorrik when getting 7th Legion rep in Voldun?
The Alliance gets that same WQ, yes. Vorrik remains 100% friendly to them.
Which is why Sethrak won't be playable, if it wasn't for the Horde they would be dead from the bad Sethraks, so they own the Horde, but at the same time they will not join because Horde are too close to Zandalari. But them going with Alliance after we Horde litteraly save them makes more sense? I don't believe that but it's only my opinion.