10/13/2018 11:10 PMPosted by HadzĂźmiwe have a Vulpera thread? i hype for that race
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20763186257?page=1Megathread!! C:
And they are also in solidarity with Sethraks!
Megathread!! C:
And they are also in solidarity with Sethraks!
For now they are, but when we go our separate ways show them no mercy. Little orange vermin belong in the mines!10/14/2018 12:39 AMPosted by Grayphus10/13/2018 11:10 PMPosted by HadzĂźmiwe have a Vulpera thread? i hype for that racehttps://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20763186257?page=1
Megathread!! C:
And they are also in solidarity with Sethraks!
Or perhaps made into a nice shawl...
...maybe the Sethrak make use of Vulpera fur in inventive ways.
...maybe the Sethrak make use of Vulpera fur in inventive ways.
Only time will tell. If Horde get Vulpera and Alliance get Mecha Gnomes in 8.2 like it seems like is going to happen. With the whole tirigarde sound gnomes thing, Mekkatorque's fate in the raid, Little race vs little race, and all that. If that happens, then the fate of the Sethrak and which faction they join is now up in the air.
10/15/2018 10:39 PMPosted by Guldalinaand Alliance get Mecha Gnomes in 8.2
The mechagnomes do not even compare with vulpera, as a mirror race for the alliance!
It would be very disappointing, and without any tact from Blizzard, do it!
10/15/2018 10:39 PMPosted by GuldalinaOnly time will tell. If Horde get Vulpera and Alliance get Mecha Gnomes in 8.2 like it seems like is going to happen. With the whole tirigarde sound gnomes thing, Mekkatorque's fate in the raid, Little race vs little race, and all that. If that happens, then the fate of the Sethrak and which faction they join is now up in the air.
Except that's not how the AR pairs have been working as so far. Dark Iron and Mag'har were requested by the community, so they were added as a pair. KTs and Zandalari are opposites of each other, so they're a pair. Vulpera and Sethrak have bad blood between them, so it only makes sense they'd be a pair.
10/15/2018 10:55 PMPosted by DĂ nnarExcept that's not how the AR pairs have been working as so far. Dark Iron and Mag'har were requested by the community, so they were added as a pair. KTs and Zandalari are opposites of each other, so they're a pair. Vulpera and Sethrak have bad blood between them, so it only makes sense they'd be a pair.
So far Blizzard has gone out of their way to give Allied races that are very comparable to each faction.
Light Forged Space Goats and High Mountain Tauren are both reskins with minor cosmetic difference from their parent races. Both new races fill similar niches as their parent races. Shamanistic Hunter/Gathers, and Light Praising Holy Aliens.
Nightborn and Void Elves are model transplants from the opposite faction, again with minor cosmetic differences from their parent races. Both new races bring magical prowess, filling a similar slot on the factions.
Mag'Har Orcs and DI Dwarves are again reskins with cosmetic differences from their parent races, both are older, long requested races. Both new races bring a badass feel to their factions. Basically a more savage form of their parent races.
KT Humans and Zandalari Trolls are new races, with new or heavily modified models. Both are new and are the touchstone races of the expansion's new landmasses. Both aren't the first of their species on their factions race line up, I.E. we have humans and trolls already.
Vulpera and Sethrak would again be comparable as they're new races with new models. Both built around the new skeletons of their Cataclysm era parent races (Goblin/Worgen). Both are new races that fill rather unique slots on their factions identity.
Vulpera and Junk Gnomes wouldn't be. Junk Gnomes would almost certianly be a reskin of existing Gnomes. And while Vulpera would be somewhat unique to the Horde, Junk Gnomes would fill almost an identical niche as their parent race.
The whole junker gnomes thing is based on a leak and further supported by things that happen in 8.1.
What's disheartening is that the leak suggests Sethrek aren't playable at all. Although it also suggests some next expansion feature that might open the gates for neutral Allied races. This would mean they wouldn't have to stretch any lore or find some excuse for a race that's been fairly neutral.
As a side note, there's always the chance that the Vulpira recruitment scenario could have something to do with the Sethrek.
What's disheartening is that the leak suggests Sethrek aren't playable at all. Although it also suggests some next expansion feature that might open the gates for neutral Allied races. This would mean they wouldn't have to stretch any lore or find some excuse for a race that's been fairly neutral.
As a side note, there's always the chance that the Vulpira recruitment scenario could have something to do with the Sethrek.
Could you imagine the Blizzcon response if Horde get the Vulpera, their #1 requested for Allied Race and they offer Alliance in turn bloody Junker Gnomes?
Part of me almost wants to see such a burning train-wreck. It would be stunned stupor from the crowd at best and a full scale riot at worst.
Part of me almost wants to see such a burning train-wreck. It would be stunned stupor from the crowd at best and a full scale riot at worst.
10/16/2018 06:51 AMPosted by VandrenCould you imagine the Blizzcon response if Horde get the Vulpera, their #1 requested for Allied Race and they offer Alliance in turn bloody Junker Gnomes?
Part of me almost wants to see such a burning train-wreck. It would be stunned stupor from the crowd at best and a full scale riot at worst.
That would be a nightmare!
The worst of the Bible, manifested on Earth, live on Blizzcom!! LOL
the only time i saw junker gnomes actually mentioned in something even somewhat credible (in other words not one of those "leaks that almost immediately get debunked) is when there was an island expedition map that was datamined called junker gnome cavern back in beta.10/16/2018 05:41 AMPosted by SinkasumiThe whole junker gnomes thing
im gonna assume your talking about the ama by a person posing as a blizzard employee on 4chan because that is the only "leak" that claimed that, that thing is fake like how he said the zuldazar raid was mogu based and not faction based, which we already know is a lie, or how he was asked what classes kul'tirans would have and forgot druid10/16/2018 05:41 AMPosted by SinkasumiWhat's disheartening is that the leak suggests Sethrek aren't playable at all.
Based on the previous allied races every race will be getting an alternate. If goblin is vulpera and gnome is TRASH gnome, then that means undead and worgen still need one. Sethrak is the only race so far that makes sense for worgen. Lets hope blizzard is wise enough to see how bs is would be to give both to horde and stick us with sparkly undead or something equally stupid.
For the people worrying (Yes, I'm worried too), and you know about what's happening in 8.1 with Mekkatorque, I don't think we need to worry so much. The Alliance embassy had one more person in it compared to the Horde embassy. With Mekkatorque out, they can give gnomes the cyborg/junker/mecha customization option without needing to make it an entire AR. This makes it so both embassies have the same amount of characters in it.
thats if it goes by embassy npcs already present, they can easily just add more if needed10/16/2018 07:37 PMPosted by DĂ nnarThis makes it so both embassies have the same amount of characters in it.
Bit of an update for what is going on in 8.1
So in 8.1 so far the vulpera are being shoved hard down the horde's throat. The alliance is attacking them because reasons (there is literally no reason for it at this point) and the vulpera are vowing to kill alliance and talking about how grateful they are to the horde in quest text. So its beyond obvious at this point they will be a horde AR.
The issue for us is that there is basically nothing for the alliance. No hints, no interesting quests. No nothing. Not for sethrak or any other potential AR. We really just seem to be there to be story fodder for the horde to get vulpera. Maybe it's not finished yet but 8.1 is looking dismal for Alliance.
So in 8.1 so far the vulpera are being shoved hard down the horde's throat. The alliance is attacking them because reasons (there is literally no reason for it at this point) and the vulpera are vowing to kill alliance and talking about how grateful they are to the horde in quest text. So its beyond obvious at this point they will be a horde AR.
The issue for us is that there is basically nothing for the alliance. No hints, no interesting quests. No nothing. Not for sethrak or any other potential AR. We really just seem to be there to be story fodder for the horde to get vulpera. Maybe it's not finished yet but 8.1 is looking dismal for Alliance.
10/17/2018 11:15 PMPosted by AlaeisBit of an update for what is going on in 8.1
So in 8.1 so far the vulpera are being shoved hard down the horde's throat. The alliance is attacking them because reasons (there is literally no reason for it at this point) and the vulpera are vowing to kill alliance and talking about how grateful they are to the horde in quest text. So its beyond obvious at this point they will be a horde AR.
The issue for us is that there is basically nothing for the alliance. No hints, no interesting quests. No nothing. Not for sethrak or any other potential AR. We really just seem to be there to be story fodder for the horde to get vulpera. Maybe it's not finished yet but 8.1 is looking dismal for Alliance.
Yeah I heard this too. And I don't think Vorrik will side with the Alliance if they're going to be outright nearly genocidal to Vulperans, considering the vulperans helped him defeat that usurper alongside the horde.
At best they'll be neutral right now, if that kind of story continues. Unless the Alliance oust Vorrik for another leader or something.
10/17/2018 11:19 PMPosted by Guldalina10/17/2018 11:15 PMPosted by AlaeisBit of an update for what is going on in 8.1
So in 8.1 so far the vulpera are being shoved hard down the horde's throat. The alliance is attacking them because reasons (there is literally no reason for it at this point) and the vulpera are vowing to kill alliance and talking about how grateful they are to the horde in quest text. So its beyond obvious at this point they will be a horde AR.
The issue for us is that there is basically nothing for the alliance. No hints, no interesting quests. No nothing. Not for sethrak or any other potential AR. We really just seem to be there to be story fodder for the horde to get vulpera. Maybe it's not finished yet but 8.1 is looking dismal for Alliance.
Yeah I heard this too. And I don't think Vorrik will side with the Alliance if they're going to be outright nearly genocidal to Vulperans, considering the vulperans helped him defeat that usurper alongside the horde.
At best they'll be neutral right now, if that kind of story continues. Unless the Alliance oust Vorrik for another leader or something.
Only possibility I can see is maybe the vulpera will be mad at vorrik and the sethrak for not helping them because so far they havent done or said a thing.
10/17/2018 11:15 PMPosted by AlaeisBit of an update for what is going on in 8.1
So in 8.1 so far the vulpera are being shoved hard down the horde's throat. The alliance is attacking them because reasons (there is literally no reason for it at this point) and the vulpera are vowing to kill alliance and talking about how grateful they are to the horde in quest text. So its beyond obvious at this point they will be a horde AR.
The issue for us is that there is basically nothing for the alliance. No hints, no interesting quests. No nothing. Not for sethrak or any other potential AR. We really just seem to be there to be story fodder for the horde to get vulpera. Maybe it's not finished yet but 8.1 is looking dismal for Alliance.
The fact that the vulpera would be going Horde was never a question.
As far as Alliance motives go, this is clearly retaliation for Stormsong. The Kul Tirans had not yet formally lent their support to the Alliance's War effort, yet they represented a sizable enough threat, either militarily or economic, that the Horde decided to pre-emptively strike a potential ally of the Alliance. Hence the massacre at Brennadam.
Here's what I find interesting.
The Horde is seeing two objectives; gain a major foothold in Kul Tiras and leave a formidable dent in the Alliance/Kul Tiran war effort. As Stormsong is the main supplier for the Kul Tiran navy, it makes perfect sense why it would be considered a military target. It would have been an incredible war victory if the Horde had succeeded in eradicating the Kul Tirans or, at the very least, pushing them out of Stormsong. The attack on Brennadam was abhorrent, but from a pragmatic standpoint it made sense.
But here's the juicy stuff, because Zandalar is nothing like Kul Tiras.
All three of the Kul Tiran zones are ruled by houses that, in practice, pledge their loyalty to the Proudmoore admiralty. This means that, regardless of which zone the Horde attacks on Kul Tiras, the objective will always be to butt heads with Kul Tiran administrative officials. Zandalar does not have the same government. The empire is in shambles; Nazmir is under complete control of the Blood Trolls and Vol'dun is the seat of the Sethrak, who aspire to create their own empire to rival that of the Zandalari. The Zandalari consider themselves an empire, yet in reality it's a false title, as the one and only location they can claim to control is Zuldazar itself.
Under normal circumstances, Vol'dun shouldn't even be a target. The only reason it is a target is because the vulpera join the Alliance after the Horde adventurer goes through the Vol'dun storyline. Kiro starts learning shamanism and the vulpera caravans start trading exclusively with Horde supply lines. Go to Vol'dun as an alliance character and not a single Vulpera NPC will offer you any goods. They won't even acknowledge you. So while the Vulpera don't rule Vol'dun in the same way the Kul Tirans do Stormsong, they still make themselves a military target in that they impact the Horde's economy.
But here's where I start to put my tinfoil hat on, because everything I just said about the Vulpera should also be applicable to the sethrak. The Sethrak offer the Horde safe passage through the temple of the devoted. The Horde fought alongside them to depose Emperor Kor'thek and install Vorrik as the new leader. The Sethrak are currently the dominant power in Vol'dun and offer their goods and services to the Horde. If the Alliance wanted to repay the Horde for Stormsong, then a more prudent military target would, in theory be the Sethrak. The Alliance should be worried about the Sethrak's presence. They should be concerned that this new empire on the rise has a blood debt with the Horde after the events of the Vol'dun questline. Theoretically speaking, it would make sense if the purge teams targeted the devoted along with the vulpera in a bid for total control over Vol'dun.
But the fact that not a single sethrak is targeted is, to me, very telling. Why isn't the Alliance concerned about them? Why are they not seen as a threat? The Alliance seems to view the Devoted as a government that they can work with, and that's huge. Conversely, I doubt the vulpera and the Horde will forgive the Devoted's passivity during this entire attack. Despite bleeding on the same battlefield, remember that Nisha ultimately chose to go her own way when Vorrik needed her most, and now the Vulpera are in their darkest hour and, similarly, the sethrak are nowhere to be found.
Remember how the Nightborne ultimately chose their allegiance. Despite both factions helping to oust legion-sympathizers from Suramar, it ultimately came down to small interactions between Thalyssra and the major factions that compounded over the course of the campaign and guided her ultimate choice of allegiance. The seeds were planted early on and were fostered over time. I think we're starting to see those seeds planted now that will ultimately turn the Sethrak towards the Alliance.
I don't think we'll be seeing the sethrak in 8.1 or 8.2, but I still see the groundwork being laid here to be very interesting. The vulpera are going Horde, of that there is no question, but it's also obvious the sethrak's story is far from done as well. Just remember; the dominant power of Vol'dun, the Devoted, simply sits back and allows this to happen. This is not something that will be easily forgiven as the war campaign continues to heat up.
Nah, Sethrak should be a Horde race. Alliance need the little furry freaks.
10/17/2018 11:59 PMPosted by DvtNah, Sethrak should be a Horde race. Alliance need the little furry freaks.
Fortunately, races are not allocated to the factions based on "I don't like them, so you take them" arguments. There sort of needs to be a lore justification.
Unless the vulpera are the ultimate pushovers that have ever existed in WoW lore, I don't think they'll ever forgive the Alliance for this.