People would rush for them. (Blizzard’s only statement on the issue)
They were removed.
Blizzard said no.
Counterarguments:
People will rush anyway for a myriad of reasons. Should they all be removed? If not, why are mounts the exception?
Yes, but they also existed in vanilla and should therefor exist in classic.
Blizzard also said no to classic for very many years, guess we should scrap the whole project. Or, we could be adults and realize that “because I said so” is not a proper argument.
If anyone else has actual arguments to add, then I will be happy to discuss them. If you only have restatements of the above arguments, then thanks for the bump but there is no meaningful discussion to be had. If you would like to voice an opinion, then I will happily discuss opinions, but I will not treat opinions as if they carry the same weight as a fact.
The real issue is that people who normally WOULDN’T rush to level cap will end up rushing just to get the mounts, especially if they’re mount collectors. It’ll ruin their first experience playing the game.
So we should remove raids from the game entirely? Otherwise people who normally WOULDN’T rush to level cap will end up rushing just to raid, especially if they like group content. Also, who are you to determine what the best “experience” is? I also prefer to level slowly. I take my time doing all the quests and leveling professions, but I am not so high and mighty as to think my way is more correct than any other way.
I ask again, why are mounts the exception here? Why is this one reason so much more important than any other.
Alternatively, we could have the unarmored mounts just be available forever alongside the armored ones and completely solve this “problem”.
So we should remove raids from the game entirely? Otherwise people who normally WOULDN’T rush to level cap will end up rushing just to raid
Where the hell did THIS leap of logic come from?
Also, who are you to determine what the best “experience” is? I also prefer to level slowly. I take my time doing all the quests and leveling professions, but I am not so high and mighty as to think my way is more correct than any other way.
You seem really high-strung. I recommend relaxing a bit and actually thinking about what I posted first. I’m not telling people what their play style should be at all. That’s Elitist Jerks’ job, not mine.
I ask again, why are mounts the exception here? Why is this one reason so much more important than any other.
Because a limited time collectors’ item is like catnip to collectors. That’s why. If those collectors are the type of people who’d level slowly the first time so they can enjoy the journey, they’d be cheating themselves out of that limited time item. So they’d feel it mandatory to rush, which is not their preference at all. Hence, ruined experience. Do I really need to spell this out for you?
Alternatively, we could have the unarmored mounts just be available forever alongside the armored ones and completely solve this “problem”.
I’d be all for this, actually. But it’s Blizzard’s call, not ours.
Blizzard should remove the black battle tank because it promotes a rush mentality… even now I am feeling immense pressure to rush through all the content in the game to get the black battle tank before it becomes un-obtainable.
Let’s remember what they said when they announced classic, “they get to grind like we did”.
Wait why did they just differentiate the players from themselves when the majority of players wanting this have already played vanilla (probably more than anyone at blizzard)?
I’m pretty sure most people are not mindless creatures that are magnetically drawn to incentives that end up ruining their experience.
The majority of people who are rushing will rush whether or not any sort of mount is available.
Rushers are interested in:
World “firsts”.
Progression and gearing.
Monopolizing chunks of the economy.
Simply don’t enjoy the leveling experience.
I’d have a hard time believing that there is a significant portion of the playerbase that would rush to 60 before the end of phase 1 (which isn’t really rushing) just to buy a mount.
A mount is a prio for any 60, so whether you rush or not it’s going to be a primary purchase, unless it’s the 1 week Rag kill teams.
It’s the exact same logic you’re using to argue against unarmored mounts. I’ll admit it was very hyperbolic, but I was trying to illustrate the absurdity of your position.
Re-read the part I bolded in your previous post. It sounds like you are stating what the best way to play the game is. If you meant it differently, then could you please rephrase it so I may understand?
So we remove something from the game because some people are unable to control themselves? Why should anyone get to make someone else’s choices for them?
The real question is … why can’t we just have them permanently… they’re just mounts. It does absolutely nothing to the game, there are no negative aspects, it is a net gain for everyone.
Also idk if I’d say it’s not fair… is the black battle tank “fair”?
Exactly. I’d be all for this. But, it’s Blizzard’s call, and Blizzard’s decided we’re better off not having them.
And no, it’s not fair if it forces people to play in a way they normally wouldn’t just to have a shot at getting it just because they’re obsessed with collecting things.
Because they put about 5 minutes of thought and discussion into it and then made a decision… I guarantee you that they dedicated more time to twitter integration and selfie cam.
And people knew that they’d have 10 hours to ring the gong after the first ring before the mount was unobtainable?
People know that now… and they know every stage of the quest chain
The black battle tank is actually worse because it causes 30+ people to change their playstyle in order to reward one player with a reward. Not only that but the window which it is available is like 1/4th of the time the unarmored epic mounts would be available. Promoting that rush mentality even more since people know it will be here and gone so fast
You mean to tell me Blizzard didn’t make it clear that the event was a one-time thing?
That doesn’t seem likely. People knew going in that they’d have a limited time to get the black battle tank. Nobody knew going in that those unarmored mounts would be replaced with armored ones.
The only thing temporary inclusion forces is a choice. People are forced to choose between collecting this mount that they know is limited time, or leveling in their preferred way. This is also assuming that their preferred way is slow.
I am forced to ask, yet again, why anyone should get to decide how someone else plays as opposed to letting that person decide for themselves.
I’m fairly positive they didn’t announce anything about the quest chain… the whole thing was filled with riddles and secrets and the people who finished it first had to basically decipher everything themselves… no I don’t think blizzard stated “come get this temporary mount for one person in your guild!”