You’re literally rehashing ziryus’ it didnt exist in that form in 1.12 argument that you rightfully called out as bs in the av threads. But now its a good argument? Also its the old i didnt get what i want so neither can you thing. If i cared about authenticity over the game being good i wouldn’t advocate for an earlier av. It can be authentic woth the mounts and 1.5 av too. And be no changes from vanilla
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It’s pretty simple actually.
I remain unconvinced, maybe the anti mount camp should do a better job explaining their position.
The mounts were in the game, AND they were technically on the vendor in patch 1.12, you can trade them in for the armored mounts. Aka they ARE technically ON the vendor in patch 1.12.
These mounts are NOT unfinished, they are NOT placeholders. That is made up and a lie. Blizzard continues to use these models in game in vanilla and in retail, 14 years later.
None of the stated reasons are why they are not being implemented. They are being withheld because blizzard believes people will rush to 60 for these mounts even though they will rush to 60 anyway. Implement them permanetely, it would be more authentic to make them purchasable in patch 1.12 than for you to remove them entirely.
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The fact that you are merely trolling and are upset they didnt get what they want and aretrying to give people their just desserts. That explains it pretty well
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Nope, I said it. But since you have no valid argument you resort to semantics. That is the go to move on these forums.
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“Unarmored mounts were not in patch 1.12”
literally 2 seconds later
“But there was a mechanism to turn in your unarmored mount for a new one”
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Also just wanna say that the prospect of someone who is pro wow token/Transmog implementation in classic disagreeing with me in regard to classic is literally like a badge of honor.
It is invigorating and motivating, it also reaffirms by belief that the mounts should be in classic.
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How are they (the mounts) more impactful then transmog or tokens? Hoe are tokens in the spirirt of vanilla?
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I am quoting Philmahuders from another thread’s reply.
They are using 1.12 as a template/guide for clarity, not as a rule of law or an opposition to other changes. Which is why Blizzard is more than willing to add layering and 2 hour trade windows(not that I’m in support of these) to help them achieve (what they believe) a more classical experience/health of the game.
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Your point? The few people that got the unfinished one before 1.4 needed a way to get the correct one. By 1.12 the vendor ONLY sold the correct armored one.
So no you are not getting unarmored mounts nor should you. They were temporary place holders.
So what if they were? Why does it matter they are the same in every way except for the skin. Its not a big deal tbh.
Temporary placeholders with unique models? That doesn’t make sense.
It also doesn’t make sense that blizzard continues to use these models in BFA, considering you said they removed them. They exist in BfA.
“For many parts”, not all. That quote and reasoning does not justify the argument being made, nor is it the argument that blizzard chose to use in order to keep the mounts out of classic.
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I understand you want the mounts in the game, but there’s no need to make this personal. It’s certainly not going to support your argument much if you have to devolve to calling the people who disagree with you trolls.
I fully support the existence of this thread and us having a conversation; as I have said many times the forums are the place to have this kind of discussion about changes, but let’s keep it civil.
I’ve already gone over why they are so impactful. The Token is just a better way to facilitate gold selling then through third parties, who will flock to Vanilla if the demand for gold selling is not met by Blizzard.
As for Transmog, I have advocated a very paired down version of Transmog where only a player can see their mog, and can opt-in to see other peoples mogs. I would also advocate the system only if you could transmog items picked up through greed rolls and and on non-traded non-auctioned items.
I feel that these two systems would essentially be invisible to the vast majority of players who do not want them. I feel that the unarmored mounts have essentially no mechanical upsides and introduce negatives that would make the game worse. They were essentially bugs that were waiting to get fixed, and I think that the limited time rewards mechanic is a bad mechanic for MMORPGs.
Blizzard is not and should not waste resources on something trivial. I’m sure they don’t want the vendors surrounded by twice as many mounts for is to see what they look like.
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Lol changing your argument? Unfortunately for you the unarmored mounts REMAIN in their places in classic. When you go to menethil harbor you will SEE a white stallion standing next to the vendor… you just can’t buy it.
Vakul would you support a system where only I can see my unarmored mount but it looks like an armored mount to everyone else?
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That is exactly why I quoted it lol. Because this quote right there is the reason why all the people saying “it’s not 1.12” should just immediately drop the argument. It’s official reply by Blizzard saying they are not going only with 1.12 patch, only where it makes the most sense (clarity).
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Correct. The unarmored mounts were not available to players after 1.4, unless you already had one. Blizzard felt that in this case dealing with the outrage of taking away people’s rewards and forcing a different one would be bad for retention. That does not mean they did not want to take them away.
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I would actually support a mount transmog system of some kind. I haven’t really thought about it that much, but the ability to ride around on a regular horse would be great for RP as long as people had the option to see that I’m actually riding an epic armored mount.
So basically you feel that this issue is trivial and they shouldn’t waste resources on it?
Or you believe that classic is a 1:1 image of patch 1.12 and that even though we are getting it without Naxx, AQ 40/20, ZG, dire Maul, BWL, etc… that the unarmored mounts should be kept out of it in order to protect the authenticity of patch 1.12?
Which one is it? Weird that blizzard didn’t use either of these arguments when they attempted to justify their decision making.
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So I take it we have a deal? An opt-in transmog system where I can wear Robes of Arugal at 60 and you can ride on a white unarmored stallion at 100% speed?