They were supplying a military faction at war. You sort of lose civilian protection in that case.
Teldrassil had already surrendered and had only unarmed people who were not actively apart of the military
Here is a scenario.
You see a caravan bringing supplies to a military faction that you are actively fighting.
do you?
a. Stop them from resupplying your foe.
B. Do nothing and let them supply your enemy so they can keep fighting.
Disrupting supply chains are quite usual in wartime tactics. In real world, militaries target supply routes to deny enemy access to fresh supplies.
Teldrassil is different. The alliance had already surrendered and were defeated. Only unarmed people who did not participate in the fighting remained there. While there were undoubtedly some bad people acting at the vulpera, there is a difference between a random footmen and the leader of a faction acting bad.
As much as I hate, hate, HAAAAAATE the death of Voljin and the absolute and total waste of a character that represents, that is one of my favorite cinematics in the game, for exactly the reasons you describe.
Sylvanas in that cinematic presents a radically different character to the mustache-twirler we have now. when she pulls Vol’Jin onto her steed and calls a retreat against desperate odds, you see a person who, for all her antihero traits, actually does care for the Horde. When he names her Warchief, there’s genuine surprise. When she’s standing in the throne room of Grommash Hold, completely stunned over what has just happened… then steps out to rally the Horde to avenge Vol’Jin, to drive the demons back and the Horde - trolls, blood elves, tauren, forsaken, I think there’s even a Pandaren in that cinematic, join in a unified cry of “For the Horde!” as the “Fate of the horde” score plays?
Dang. Where’s that Sylvanas? Where’s THAT story? Can we get Nozdormu to fiddle aroudn just this one dang time?
Have you BEEN to Vol’Dun? have you SEEN the Vulpera? What the hell are we selling to the horde? Throwing rocks and pocket sand? Pretty sure Durotar has those markets covered already boss.
“its legitimate to massacre civilians who are managing the enemy’s industry” is the sort of rhetoric that gets a noose aroudn your neck at a war crimes tribunal.
Same developers who had the horde torturing baby Pandaren with Darkglare demons in the Jade forest quests, right? Despite y’know garrosh’s massive hate-on for all things Warlock and absolutely nothing even remotely mentioned about this in the horde side of the zone whatsoever? Those devs?
yeah okay so, here’s the problem…
The entire conceptualization of the Vulpera is that they don’t have anything. Their whole thing is that they live in a barren desert, and have to make do with whatever little bits and pieces they can find out there. They do not have industry. They do not have resource extraction. They do not have a centralized social structure. They are brushed off by Baine “everyone lives together in harmony” Bloodhoof, literally because they have nothing to offer the horde (at least until they prove to have some ability at being morale officers, I guess, even though they literally do nothing and it’s just “The champion” doing that stuff for them…) Their entire heap of quests in Vol’Dun is entirely about them scavenging for toothpicks and jerky in ancient ruins, and making do with beating sethrak to death with their own jawbones (I love nishka, I really do)
But, in order for you, the Cherished Alliance Player, to feel righteous about murdering a bunch of vulpera, hey suddenly I guess they have a thriving arms industry now, sure, why not.
Sorry sweety, this is gonna be one of those things I declare personal retcon on, because it’s so massively and insufferably dumb.
the bad horde is being forgiven by the holy goody alliance yay pppffffff I don’t need atonement , I don’t feel bad for what happened , her and her alliance allies never felt bad and tried to atone for anything they ever did why should we
And you should have the option to tell her that. They did nothing to help the troll tribes after the sunder in. Granted it was probably a bit chaotic at first but after things settled, as guardians of nature, they should’ve helped local populations rebuild. And it’s very specifically the burning to death, this character has a thing about fire, since it is used against trolls so much. If we had gone in there and killed them all without fire, and actually conquered teldrassil that’s one thing, but it’s really the burning that gets to this character. Waste of nature and land in his eyes. I’ve said it in one of these threads I’ve got a lot of mixed feelings about this whole thing. Idk if I like it or not yet.
I just think people purposely forget that the humans killed and hunted trolls for sport half the time, just because those Pesky Savages had the audacity to protect what’s rightfully theirs
(The trolls have every right to want to kick out invaders squatting on their holy places)
Not what he’s saying. He says that the Vulpera can’t be angry that the Alliance attacked their caravans, when said caravans were supporting the Horde war effort. It doesn’t matter that the Vulpera didn’t know, they still supported them, after what the Horde had done to the Alliance. I’m not saying the Vulpera were expected to know, only that they can’t complain once they knew the entire picture, which should have been once they had joined the Horde.
Fortunate then that only your caravans burned. You don’t get to complain when you aid those who commit genocide.
It’s what the quests say. The Vulpera were trading with the Horde, after said Horde commited genocide against one of the Alliance’s races. That’s how it is. Blame the writers, I know I do. But don’t obfuscate facts.
We haven’t burned any civilians. We burned their caravans, because said caravans were supplying the Horde with material. And since they obviously weren’t gonna stop trading if we asked them nicely, we went about it the other way.
Perhaps when the Horde atones for everything they did before bfa, then the Alliance may do the same. The scales weren’t balanced before, and they are even more unbalanced now.
The Vulpera were not selling weapons to the Horde. This is what Nisha says when you speak to her during the WQ Vulpera for a Day.
"Look at this destruction, name!
The only thing these caravans were guilty of was accepting a good-paying job to transport supplies.
We vulpera have been free merchants and traders for countless generations. What makes the Alliance think they can bully us into refusing work from people they don’t like.
They’re no better than the sethrak… and you know how I deal with sethrak.
You in? I’ve got plenty of useful goodies here that you can use to fight like a vulpera!"
When those ‘people they don’t like’ are literally trying to genocide them? I think the answer is yes.
For you people defending the Vulpera, if they had been selling supplies/weapons to the Legion and for whatever reason where unaware of what the Legion had done, would it be any different if the Horde decided to burn their stuff instead?
The Horde were as much monsters during BFA to the Alliance as the Legion was.
To me, that would just make them unwitting victims of the legion instead of deserved targets. Considering the horde’s origins, I think it would be hugely hypocritical to blame them for it.
