They may not have had a choice there, but I remember them largely cheering it in the forums as well as later asking developers to get the choice to secretly continue following Sylvanas even after she openly abandoned the Horde, so I have my doubts about how choked up about it they really were.
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Don’t forget that the Horde shamans enhanced the flames to make the tree burn faster, ensuring that as many civilians as possible would die
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Just remember, as Renautus indicated in her follow-up post. If you kill enemy soldiers in a way that makes them feel pain, your civilians deserve to all be slaughtered and you can’t be upset because you are being asked to self reflect about how evil it is to defend your territory with the means available.
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One question. Do you use the pronouns “we”, “you”, “us”, “you” because you mean the players, or because it’s faster than writing the name of the race-faction?
With night elves, pronouns are easier to use, especially in Russian.
No. That is only one option.
Of course hunting Sylvanas is for vengeance. What else? She wanted Sylvanas head.
But that’s not a bad thing in fantasy.
Also: Darkshore was part of her vengeance. So your take is not even fully correct.
I think Artarion is trying to communicate to Luxio’s alt that the burning was wrong while Luxio tries to rationalize why it happened and add the “Well Alliance bad too ok?!”
Luxio is one of those that shifts from the “Sylvanas did nothing wrong” to the “Sylvanas redeemed! Yaaas queen” view.
Taking back what was already yours is not a revenge. Taking something of someone else is the act of revenge.
So if Tyrande took the Barrens then that would be a revenge.
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At least in these forums I’m pretty sure the two were disconnected. I can’t say how many people actually like the Burning outside General Forums… being General Forums, but the loyalist path had a large contingent decrying going into yet another rebellion campaign.
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It’s certainly worthwhile to acknowledge that a lot of Horde players did not ask for this - but the reaction you’re seeing is in response to one person who is again, not playing a character right now.
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He’s doing a piss poor job of it then. Even Loyalists are not happy with how the burning went down, or that it happened at all.
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Thats why I am trying to help him to communicate better.
As a loyalist, yeah I saw those posts too. Everyone likes punching down. Including Alliance fans. There’s no exception for “bad fans” they exist is every single faction, and race in this game.
Labeling them all Horde/Loyalists is creating a “them, not us” false narrartive. Yes, you too can be “bad fans” or toxic fans, whatever you want to call it.
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I can’t speak for others, but I’m not speaking of a class of posters.
I’m talking about you specifically.
Just want to remind that before Night Elves, Sylvanas did the same to Gilneas and Hillsbrad.
So, Sylvanas did even more sins.
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Well thanks Kyalin but we’ve had this argument before and it never went anywhere. The parameters of genocide is the intention to destroy a race and since Sylvanas wanted the Night Elves to evacuate the parameter for genocide was only barely met because the Night Elves refused to leave and not evacuate. Is it genocide? This will debated for as long as WoW is relevant.
There was never intent to destroy the Night Elves. I don’t care if Golden specifically used the word “genocide” in Elegy which was an emotional piece and not a logic piece. It was meant to get a reaction out of you ans clearly it did.
I’m not personally responsible for your feelings regarding this story, maybe you should take your concerns up with the people writing the story…
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On a side note, I have to wonder how sorry the Horde leadership actually was over the Burning considering they 1) didn’t hold any of the people actually carrying out what objectively constituted a war crime responsible but just gave them a blanket pardon and used Sylvanas as a scapegoat, (2) they’re still canonically holding NE lands instead of withdrawing their forces and (3) offered zero reparations for the NE people whom they pushed to the brink of extinction.
But to be fair, I blame that more on that idiot Anduin who apparently didn’t even try to negotiate terms or seek concessions. He just wanted the war over and spinelessly accepted a blanket peace agreement where everyone was instantly friends again with zero regard for how certain near genocided people like NEs might feel about it.
Guh, the writing for pretty much all of BfA was just awful for both sides.
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I’ll agree that Renautus’ position is kind of untenable at this point, as far as SL seems to be concerned the Burning was actually close to or the actual intention of Sylvanas; no matter how A Good War frames it (good old retcons even happening on things in the current story)
You are still…absolutly Deillusioned
Well … when the Forsaken sing, are they talking about genocide?
Genocide is not determined by the numbers. It’s determined by intent. A genocide doesn’t not become a genocide simply because your butchery didn’t go far enough - there is no number threshold in ANY definition of the word.
Also, this is wrong. That was Sylvanas’s stated intent - to destroy the Night Elves as a people - and it’s an intent that Saurfang agreed with in A Good War.
Most sane people recognize that as the logic of a villain that Saurfang later had to reflect on for going along with. You however have accepted it as reasonable and rational. My “feelings” aren’t being interrogated here - your judgment is.
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Yes the genocide of thier people by non other than… the Night Elves! The Lament of the Highborne is a song about the exile of the Highelves commited by the Night Elves. The Cycle of hatred continues…