Typical Play Cycle in Retail

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Log in, Decide to finish Nathria. Click LFG, Apply to the only 4 groups on the boss you actually need for completion… auto declined for 197Ilvl descriptions all expect 205 or higher… Link Achivement… no response. more spots open up on that group… request to join again… whisper “this is my alt, I’m 9/10 HC on main and know the fights well”. no reply.

Reapeat for 90 minuets, get no where, log out.

Totally positive experience entirely, grippingly fun and engaging gameplay. 100 would recommend sinking thousands of hours into this incredibly fun, active a exciting game.

#SoloQueue

Log in…
Question everything about ones life choices…
Log back out…

WOW

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Why didn’t you make your own group?

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Not sure how Blizzard is supposed to control what players ask for in their own custom groups.

A solo queue to a raid doesn’t make sense, unless its LFR.

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So start your own raid and stop crying, maybe?

Someone else did in order to reject you in the first place.

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fallacious argument… its the same scenario in reverse.

I either Queue into expectant lazy and or authentically unskilled players… or they queue into my raid and the outcome is the same… a small handful of players and their lack of effortful interaction with the game prevents success.

It doesn’t matter which direction it happens in when the result is the same either way. I’m Not Nagura, I’m not Preach, I’m Not Asmongold, I’m not streaming, I’m not recording and therefore I cannot ensure any kind of effortful output from any player because i cannot create any kind of reenforcment positive or negative for participants to take personal responsibility and accountability for their gameplay.

Have we not all met the kind of player who is chilling in our “HEROIC SIRE AOTC ONLY” groups and they are just dripping in BiS Heroic/Mythic and sometimes even elite gladiator gear, Ilvl212, and they are pulling 645 damage per second on every boss pull…

your argument is shortsighted, lazy, and unrealistic, almost as if you dont engage in these kinds of activities in game and may not know what you are talking about

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Its almost like…

…we have community groups for this reason. And those community groups allow you to filter out people who feel entitled to the rewards of raiding without contributing themselves. And that you should, to some degree, accept that if you’re not engaging with these communities- in a social game no less!- that you should anticipate consequences.

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This. Why WoW hasn’t done this but every other MMO does it beyond me.

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not even every other MMO… legit every other GAME

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You can’t be effective on raids with actual mechanics (read: not LFR) just randomly being placed into a group of players by a system that doesn’t take the necessary aspects into account.

SoloQueue into a raid and the system throws 14 melee into the raid. Guess what – people gonna die a lot.

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Log in on raid night, clear normal, clear 6/10 heroic, keep progressing with guild.

The pug life is terrible. Never again.

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Maybe join a dedicated guild/group and stop pugging if you feel this strongly about it.

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Log in, pet battle dailies, wave at other small characters, cackle, ignore three pillars of endgame because they’re not fun without the friends who unsubbed, buy 20 cheese, take wild to pretty spot, feed him 20 cheese, raids before legion, tame all the pets, level alts, log out

PlayUnicycle

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People kinda expect you to lead, if you were never in the role of a guild leader/raid leader, even if you know fights, explaining them properly to a bunch of randoms is actually pretty hard.

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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/typical-play-cycle-in-retail/821560/6

That sounds like the core philosophy of the Blacklisting movement of WotLK and although it seems good on paper, in execution that kind of community actaully made the game even more toxic.

I cannot figure our how to Multi-quote to reply… so

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/typical-play-cycle-in-retail/821560/9

There is a queue system that has existed for PVP since vanilla and it has always sorted groups appropriately and balances mostly effectively healer/tank/dps balance. this feature is already in the game and working quite well, and has been for years.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/typical-play-cycle-in-retail/821560/11

Fair… perfectly reasonable… I made a post about this a week or two ago… I did a paid character transfer and name change and it completely erased all of my logged data, feats of strength, and completion information… I fact you can see clearly even here on the forum that my account is still entirely bricked, My mains name is Överheals - Tichondrius and im unguilded and i have way more achivement points that the website reflects. Was a pay to lose transfer for me personally, still awaiting a response from support but they aren’t doing much, and as we all know, high end guilds are very choosy and at the moment its impossible for me to prove that i have any history with the game at all aside from simply getting offered a test run and then shining brightly… but those offers dont exist for fear that ill get a good drop and dip out presumably.

Furthermore, LFG is a key system in WOW… and it doesn’t work at all for a person in my position. documenting my frustrating experience (for any other developer but probably not this one) would be rich and useful data for the developer to consider making improvements to that system, consider it involuntary play testing.

But I have been in Mythic progression guilds in the past and have seen moderate success, which is why I am so frustrated with the current state of LFG LFR… its literally not that hard of a game, there is no reason at all that over 20 hours and 2 weeks I cant just pool together a group of Randoms and succeed. Why have the system at all if that is an impossibility within the system?

first attempt at multi quoting forgive me if this post bricks entirely

Oh yeah… It bricked

Also: when you consider the RMT market is charging i kid you not 20,000$ for a heroic nathria completion… The picture becomes fuzzy, Why is it that I cannot get a good group… am I intended to funneled in that direction. Obviously only an uber rich insane person would actually buy that service… but obviously someone has and or is and I gotta admit, as a skilled player, knowing a tank and maining a healer 80-100$ per mythic 10 completion split 2 ways seems really attractive financially and it isnt unreasonable to expect that some if not many players who are capable of success on that level, would be foolish not to get paid for providing that level of success to outsiders… OUTSIDER…

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Wasn’t there rules against this in current LFR? Correct me if wrong.

But I know that’s true in LFD.

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No, it isn’t. It is realistic.

You propose nothing of value to fix this “problem” and I hate to tell you, but whining about it is not a solution. Hiding your information so group leaders can’t see anyone’s experience is not a solution. Putting everything in the LFG so no one can pick their groups isn’t a solution.

Propose a solution or stop crying, seriously.

Or stand by your convictions, unsub, and stop giving Blizzard your money.

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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/a-potential-alternative-metric-to-measure-player-abilityskill/821825

didnt I?

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99% of your problems would magically go away if you made your own group.

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So, you upset someone won’t let you in their group, and you don’t want to make a group of your own because you don’t want to check out players that apply.

Your right, logging out is your only logical option. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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There was one of 485896 threads hes been in today where I explained to him why solo queuing rated pvp wouldn’t work and instead of responding to me arguing my points he attacked my sentence structure and asked me if I was a robot. People like this rely on queuable stuff for very obvious reasons :face_with_hand_over_mouth: