TWW Pathfinder: Whats the Point?

[Lucrend-stormrage]

@Piston-arygos

it’s about it adding substance to the quest.

How does irrelevant enemies add substance?

@Piston-arygos

But since dynamic flight never stops moving improvising requires player attention opposed to old flight requiring you to just point in a different direction.

Why does it matter to you how other people play the game?

@Piston-arygos

Imagine if Blizzard allowed players to use the storyline skip on their first character

@Piston-arygos

put in a button that gave players max level gear.

@Piston-arygos

Or perhaps I’m tired of seeing threads where people act personally attacked over developers making design decisions in a video game.

Maybe if the devs would make the choice that allows the most freedom, hint: it’s allowing both versions of flying, then you wouldn’t see these kinds of threads.

You seem to be against regular flying. I’ve yet to see an actual reason for it though.

[Opalunaiya-bleeding-hollow]

@Verden-draenor

The best way to incentivize dynamic flight is to slow down traditional flight speed. 200% max. It’s easier, but intentionally less convenient for quick travel and/or resource gathering.

Why is it you think that the best way to incentivize dynamic flight is to make it feel bad to play the game for people with accessibility issues?

@Simplyred-hydraxis

Ableism is usually defined as prejudicial thinking that discriminates against people with disabilities. Blizzard actually puts considerable effort into implementing ways to make their games more accessible. It will never cover anyone, but there is still substantial work done on accessibility.

The game is now less accessible thanks to changes that came with mandatory dragonriding. This only inconveniences people who struggled with it. Making it possible to play the game only when you have a friend to carry you 100% of the time isn’t a useful feature.

[Verden-draenor]

Regularly flying is mechanically superior to work with, even if its less fun. If they both went the same speed, regularly flying would simply be better to use and nobody would want to use dynamic flight anymore (aside from die-hard “the experience is better” fans).

[Medria-fizzcrank]

but static flying is relaxing, dynamic flying stresses me out.

I mean tbh, both ways “engages” you with the system. One just gets you there like a hyped up kid running on too much sugar, and the other is for old timers like myself…who like to (as the pandas would say) “Slow down. Life is to be savored.”

sigh gonna be using the ground mount again.

[Caprisunny-moon-guard]

should lock the significantly faster flight method that poses accessibility issues behind pathfinder. makes more sense to me.

especially if the new zones are designed larger with dragonflying in mind a la DF

ive alt tabbed while crossing zones using both methods of flight

[Allendor-hyjal]

There’s no good point for TWW Pathfinder. They’re just trying to prop up their new DF main feature.

[Misscreant-moon-guard]

@Abricot-grizzly-hills

I’ll tell you what people on the forums told me when I complained about the poor state of group play below the level of high M+ keys, and the high bar to entry into M+ in general for a solo player without the benefit of a guild or friends: Git gud.

I never need to hover in the air in order to play the game, and I’m betting neither do you.

I never need to flag myself in order to lay the game and I’m betting neither do you.

[Misscreant-moon-guard]

@Tharna-frostmourne

@Lorelaî-stormrage

During Blizzcon, Ion Hazzikostas shared that Dynamic Flight is available from the start, with “Static” flight being unlocked after completing the main story. Ion also acknowledged that Static Flight is an accessibility thing. How do these two things work together?

At the end of the day there would be more people not engaging with the content properly if everyone had static flight than there are people who need static flight as a crutch for disability. Blizzard wants to make sure everyone engages with the content, properly, at least once. For those who physically cannot dragonfly they can still do all the objectives with a ground mount if need be.
Don’t pretend like we don’t have over 15 years of data showing exactly how people were using static flight to avoid dealing with the environment, land takeoff and land so the npcs near your objective are still patting back to where they aggrod from, giving you enough time to open the mcguffin and mount up before they aggro again. Players did this to themselves.

People not engaging with the content properly using stealth. maybe it needs a pathfinder too.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

@Piston-arygos

Dynamic flight goes straight and turns. You don’t have hovering, purely lateral movement, or purely vertical movement.

With the way they design new zones, 80% of a chance there will be a cliff to camp on to monitor mob movement, then jump in. With that you might as well be jovering over them. Same result and requires “0 thinking”.

@Piston-arygos

Imagine if Blizzard allowed players to use the storyline skip on their first character,

Ever heard of charecter boost?

[Furvus-dawnbringer (Furvus)]

I don’t know why they think it’s OK to take my flight form every expansion then to demand a grind to get it back.

[Tharna-frostmourne (Tharna)]

Stealth is a class mechanic, not an evergreen. Maybe flight should only be available to some classes so your point can stand on its own.

[Rabititus-shuhalo (Rabititus)]

@Lorelaî-stormrage

This all being said, I prefer Dynamic Flight. I’m just curious to what the logic is behind it, if there is any to begin with.

It’s just Ion being… Ion.

I mean, if dynamic is the superior form of flight, shouldn’t it be the one locked behind pathfinder?

I love dynamic, but this decision has no logic. We should start with the old slow version of flight, and get an “upgrade” at max level. It is after all, a game about progression. This would also keep those that either can’t or won’t use dynamic happy.

[Lucrend-stormrage]

@Tharna-frostmourne

Maybe flight should only be available to some classes so your point can stand on its own.

You never did answer my question

@Lucrend-stormrage

How exactly is “engaging with the content properly”? We’ll have dynamic flying. We’ll be flying over anything we don’t want to deal with. How is that any different?

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

I will tell you why the metrics are showing that TBC flying is very popular. Current BlizZard is heavily reliant with data metrics farming.

They tried attaching as many poison pills as possible to make TBC flying less popular but it is not working.

But do you need data metrics to clearly show that some people prefer TBC flying for personal reasons? Furthermore, some people had to share their own disabilities to clearly communicate to them the mistakes they were making?

Like I said the war against flying has been a dark, dark stain on the legacy of WoW for a long time.

[Sytta-elune]

Flight is more precise, try landing right where you need, to avoid angering some Mobs, or getting a chest precariously placed. I have no secret I got most of my chests after I got Normal flight. I use Soaring to get from a to b, but when it comes to gathering or doing things quickly i use flight.

[Warzug-mankrik]

It should just be available from day 1 imo

They already hinted they’re going to continue the Dragonriding gimmick from early on, so might as well let people earn Pathfinder from early on as well. Let the player choose what they prefer

[Sytta-elune]

Its not arbitrary, that implies no real reason. Blizz have a reason most just don’t agree with it. It is what it is and has been for a very long time. Lets stop kicking this dead horse.

[Sytta-elune]

what are we rats in a cage? Why do you need an reward to unlock something we want.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

@Boredumb-alexstrasza

Pointless.

The majority of players already find dynamic flight superior to static flight. So why hobble the ones who disagree with that?

Because not enough players are engaging with DR so they are going to try to pump up the numbers someway with arm twisting to justify it all to the bean counters given how many resources went into making DR.

[Boredumb-alexstrasza]

@Mafic-emerald-dream

Because not enough players are engaging with DR

BS.

Like everyone I see mounted is using DR. I almost never see anyone on a regular mount