TWW Pathfinder: Whats the Point?

There is actually. Dynamic flight is a more interactive way to navigate an environment, you have to manage your resources to effectively get from your current location to your destination. It also means you aren’t encouraged to dragonride extremely short distances. It forces environmental interaction in the way traditional, static flying, doesn’t.

It’s the whole reason pathfinder existed at all. To force players to spend time in the areas they build.

This is so insanely conspiracy-brained it’s crazy

You’ll get static flying in the first day/week of the expansion by just playing the game. I promise you will manage.

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If he wanted to do that, there is myriad of games to do just that.

There is no reason, none.

DR allows them not to, so that point is moot.

It’s actually true. Other-wise why else do this? And continue this war against flying?

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There is no war against flying. It’s literally launching with the game. You just have to complete the story. It’s just a reward for playing the game. Just like when you had to hit a certain level to buy it.

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Been a war against flying since WoD

Dragon gliding is, not flying.

Which most likely will include forcing players to use dragon gliding.

Which is hypocritical, since flying should be out at launch with no path finder.

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Nonsense. Nobody is staring down or around admiring the ground or interacting with the environment; they are all pushing those vigours to get as far and as fast as they can. Thats the whole purpose of the form.

I rather like the old Sherlock Holmes adage; when you have elimminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. There is no logical reason not to have all forms of flight available at once. Quests? They can be adapted, its what devs do. The only thing you cant use standard flight for is dragon racing, and that’s fine because its a game item created specifically for that.

When Ion announced in WoD that they would be removing flying from the game completely, there was such a huge backlash that they were forced to back off from that. Did they just say ok, we changed our minds, flight stays in? No. They created Pathfinder. For zero reason at all, and it was done without any prior announcement, after the backlash. It was done to punish the players for pushing them to do something they didn’t want to do. Paranoia? Could be, but my gut instinct says that certain people can be just as human and just as ego-driven as anyone else.

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You’re right, it’s better.

Every quest that has required dragonriding in order to complete it has an accessibility friendly option to use a vehicle instead. You will 100% be able to complete the story without ever using dragonriding

There is no hypocrisy here. Play game, get flying. It’s been like that since TBC.

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Better at what? being obnoxious and annoying?

odd, I rarely found any once I got DR.

Oh there is plenty of hypocrisy

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OK, then let it be the same for both. I wonder how many complaints we would hear then?

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Like I have I pointed out before the TWW beta is going to have a thread on this issue sooner or later I anticipate.

:man_surfing: :surfing_woman:

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At getting you to where you need to go.

Any quest that has Dragonriding on it as part of the objective will have it labeled as (Optional). Just because you haven’t noticed it, doesn’t mean it’s not there. If you pay attention to quest objectives you will notice this.

Explain.

Because they want players to interact with their environments. Dragonriding requires more interaction with the environment then static flying ever has.

the logic is they prefer dynamic flight.

BlizZard also preferred locking covenants.

How did that work out?

:man_surfing: :surfing_woman:

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You keep saying that. And I keep saying nonsense. Nobody is interacting with anything other than the vigor and flight controls. You could be flying through a white screen with a target mark for where you have to go for all the “interaction”.

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DR to the bean counters translates to more time played metrics, but most people will just log out of retail and go play classic like Cata Classic. :heart_eyes: :heart_eyes: :heart_eyes:

:man_surfing: :surfing_woman:

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not well. but there are plenty of things they preferred that worked out fine. so that’s kind of a weird metric.

There hasn’t been is the thing, we had a couple of complaint threads at the start, one when Tindral fight was announced, and this. A couple dozen people complaining is not the number you think it is.

You’re constructing a bogeyman to justify your delusion, I’d be perfectly fine with Pathfinder being removed. And liking Dynamic flying doesn’t make anyone malicious, you’re wallowing in your victim complex.

It’s literally not if you actually play the game, you can static fly in the dragon isles and you can use Dragonriding mounts outside the dragon isles so people are free to use what mounts they prefer.

I see everyone using Dynamic flight more than Static flight.

“How dare you have fun in this game, I demand you go play a different game” i

I’m flying through the air, and you are very sad.

Get out of your victim complex, no one in good faith is demanding Pathfinder remain.

I’m fine with them removing it, but you’re naive if you think the complaints would stop if they do, then you’ll have people demanding Static flying go as fast as Dynamic or Dynamic be slowed down. Which we’ve already seen.

It led to them giving flight from the get go in the next expansion XD

You do remember DR is FASTER than Static flying, right?

… wha?

I guess it is a new metric. Number of clicks per minute.

At this point we are down to some very obscure possibilities.

:man_surfing: :surfing_woman:

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Not really.

The optional is there because you could use flight paths or use ground mounts. Otherwise you “must” use DR.

Anything you could do with regular flying, like avoiding content, you could also do with DR with little thought. It don’t take a genius. Also to some people DR is an “improvement” via speed. If DR is considered an upgrade, then by logic allowing people to use the “downgrade” should be available on release. Unless of course it is not popular and needs to be locked for metrics, which is not a good look. They also held a grudge against those that liked flying since they started path-finder back in WoD.

There is also the argument that this hinders people with hand problems or mental problems with that cannot use DR correctly. forcing DR goes against “accessibility” of the game.

There is also an argument of adding a game within the game that no one wanted. Except for white knights like yourself.

Any content you can avoid with regular flying, can be avoided with DR with enough thought, there is no interaction with it…

Then your not paying attention. There is at least one thread every 2 weeks complaining about it until path-finder released.

Nah, your just turning your back to actual arguments you have no actual replies to mr. white knight.

Also this reply is not even an arguement.

After unlocking path-finder yes, otherwise your forced in DR. If you have been playing you’d know that.

“How dare they force me to play a gliding game in my rpg!” More like. I personally hate gliding mechanics. They are obnoxious, and we already had flight just fine since tbc.

So I say to you “How dare you quiestion the idea of path-finder and force me to play how you want me to play”

No it’s gliding. If you don’t use any of the skills you need to point down for speed and then turn up to maintain height. Per usual with gliding mechanics in games.

Then why are you white knighting? No one is playing victim here, we are just complaining about the hypocrisy of path-finder.

BS, you wouldn’t come in here argueing with people about it if you did.

You’d be naive to think it will remain the same speed if the zones won’t be big enough for it, otherwise it’s be just as fast in old world content.

Gliding. not flight.

Looks at old world content. K.

If TWW fails as bad as DR I won’t blame them.

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There was not.

Now does “I like Dynamic flying/people like Dynamic flying” make me a white knight?

Not sure what this “playing” rebuttal is about. You’re not forced to use DR outside of the Isles, and the Pathfinder achievement, while still annoying, only requires rep and storylines, soemthing who have been playing should already have.

What is your hangup on this that you treat flying as an alien concept in WoW? We’ve had flight paths from the get go and flying from the first expansion on.

The issue with this statement is you want Dynamic flight gone, whereas I wouldn’t have an issue with Pathfinder being removed completely. You want to take stuff away from people and force them to play like you want, not me.

This is a very silly statement that just makes you look silly.

I’m arguing with the people who claim no one is using Dynamic or want it removed. They can remove Pathfinder for all I care.

You realize you’re just straight up lying and manufacturing now, right?

You do realize they already accounted for that and lowered the speed already, right?

Again, really weird pedantism.

… yeah it’s still nearly triple the speed of Static flying, that is indeed faster.

… do y’all just have an obsession with static flying and not the game itself or something? Why do you put so much of your worth into it?

Also, again, Dragonriding has been the opposite of a failure but keep lying.

This isn’t really true. I have 19 chars in DF but I didn’t stick with one for the achievement. I primarily PvP so it’s not something that comes naturally with playing, it’s something I have to go out of the way to achieve.

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