TWW Pathfinder: Whats the Point?

Nowhere did anyone say they did. Except you. But what we DO have is Blizz saying it’s popular enough that they added it to old content.

Keep trolling.

The ONLY arguments being discounted are the disingenuous “most players hate dynamic flying” bs.

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We only have vague reference of of completing the campaign assuming it is not gated somehow.

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Easy. You don’t.

This isn’t a problem except for developers who are somehow offended that players are somehow ‘skipping’ their mechanics and players who despise flight in general. The player earned the mount however they earned it, they should be able to enjoy using it. They engaged with the game, and now the game is spinning around and going ‘but you don’t get to have fun with THAT yet until you do all of THIS first.’ It’s bad design and lazy development.

There’s zero extra engagement from clearing out the area of mobs, to get to your quest target, that’s just tedium. If you want people to engage those extra mobs, they need to be worth engaging; make a questline around them, or make their drops good, or otherwise make players want to engage with the trash. Because that’s what it otherwise is, they’re trash mobs, same as in dungeons and raids. No one likes trash mobs.

Alternatively, the enemy NPCs could have Net-O-Matics that hit both Dragonriders and TBC Fliers, but that’ll get silly fast if every trash pack you try to fly over just forces a dismount. This is also purely punitive treatment of those with flying mounts, which is not going to go over well with the playerbase for obvious reasons.

Just enable TBC Flight from the get-go, just like how Dragonriding is somehow enabled from the get-go.

What I’m curious about is how is Dynamic Flight going to work for someone who never bothered with Dragonriding? I didn’t get any of the glyphs aside from the one you’re forced to collect.

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The numbers for TWW must be bad for BlizZard to take this type of stance honestly.

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Of course there will be weekly lock outs on the campaign .
There always is but there isn’t for exploration .

They could of added reknown to it but they didn’t and they could of waited until 11.1 but it is coming in 11.0 and should be available by the end of the first month .

This thread is full of tin foil and people trying to use people like me as victims for some excuse as to why they want static flying and I find it extremely disrespectful.

Does it suck that static flight is gated behind hitting max level? Sure. Is it going to change, because Blizz themselves said dynamic flying is more engaging? No.

If you hate the static flying requirements that’s fine. If the accessibility options aren’t working for you, that does suck and I hope the new stuff they’re adding helps more people.

But stop using people like me as your scapegoat for your own problems with static flying. It’s offensive.

I’m not going to engage further with this, so enjoy yelling at clouds and I hope everyone has a good day.

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All very good suggestions. To be frank what I think is happening is that there is some type of prevailing belief that those that prefer normal flying are lesser players which means they can be treated as second rate.

BlizZard had an opportunity to squash that type of toxicity and sentiment that was prevalent for most of DF expansion length but they stood by silently while the damage was done. Telling disabled players to learn to like DR or “git gud” or even telling people those that prefer normal flying are just bots is a low that I haven’t seen in an online community since probably two decades ago.

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Dragonriding doesn’t create more engagement with the system, are you cracked? All it does is get you from point A to point B faster than TBC Flight, which is why everyone said it was ‘better’ from its outset. Since you said you’re against the hovering capacity of TBC Flight to isolate quest mobs, you want players to fight through the trash mobs in order to actually get to the quest NPC.

Fighting trash to get to your actual objective isn’t ‘engagement’, it’s tedium. As I said before in my previous post, no one likes trash mobs in any kind of content; dungeons, raids, or quests. All trash serves to do is extend the time it takes to complete an objective.

Clever designers would make the trash worth engaging; add quests to defeat a decent number of them to justify slogging through it to get to the objective NPC. Alternatively, make their drops a bit better for vendor gold so it’s not entirely pointless to wade through them.

If people aren’t ‘engaging with the content’, it’s because the ‘content’ sucks. Full stop. People don’t want to do trash, and the fact that Blizzard continues to use trash as artificial difficulty is baffling. Make your content worth engaging with, and people will stop hovering over it and will actually play in the sandbox.

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I literally said that.

That is what opinion’s are, opinion’s.

And now we are going in circles because you refuse to listen to reason.

Now your gaslighting.

Just like the BS you keep spouting “Everyone likes DR”?

yeah… If everyone did this thread and others like it won’t exist will it?

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The speed of DR is going to be a challenge because I am curious to see how they design TWW leveling zones because that will prove many things of what we are pointing out as contradictions based on what BlizZard has said in the past.

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After giving it a chance from recently returning…dynamic flight is complete doo doo. tbc flying every day. and befor somebody says it, yes dragonflight is faster but vigor is lame so you wont always be outflying someone with tbc

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This is kind of a fake issue, right? If you don’t like, or can’t use dynamic flight, you can just use your ground mounts until you hit 80 and finish the campaign. At which point you can just static fly everywhere. They’ve also introduced accessibility friendly alternatives to dragonriding based quests, so again, not really an issue.

What are we upset about?

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If they make the zone with flying in mind, that tends to be harder as you need to fly up a cliff to reach an quest objective.

And you need to do quests to finish pathfinder…

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Well as I’ve said, if a quest requires you to dragonride, then they put in some kind of vehicle to help you do the quest, otherwise, yes as it turns out, not using dragonriding will be slower than using it to get to your objectives.

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Fine. So if they increased the speed of standard flight (fer gawdsale stop calling it “static” which means lack of movement - its flight, its not standing still!) then presumably it would be just as good a means of travel as dragonriding?

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No it literally does not. Again I never said no one uses Static flying, but you’re just flat out lying if you claim Dynamic isn’t more popular and more used than Static.

That would defeat the whole purpose of it so this is just malicious hoping on your part.

And why are you acting like it’s impossible to prove?

I’m using what Blizzard uses, Static/Dynamic, if they changed what terminology they use I’m fine switching to that.

Depends on the speed increase yes, while right now Dynamic is 3x in Dragon Isles and nearly 3x out of it.

Well, they are using a weird term then, bad Blizzard. :sunglasses:

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Because if it was, there wouldn’t be so much complaining about it through out the expansion.

Also, path of least resistance.

The only thing malicious here is people claiming it’s ok for pathfinder to exist and and claiming DR is so “great”

Because it is unless your blizzard, which apparently, they are forcing DR again, so by logic, it is not as popular as you beleive.

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Gawd I get frustrated by this kind of comment. It is no more a fake issue than any other, if people hold it as an opinion. The fact remains, they are making flight style (a) immediately available while flight style (b) not immediately available. There is no reason for it. Absolutely none. It’s just their agenda to push gimmick flying because its their baby and they want to disadvantage people who don’t like it or find it difficult. And why the hell should I be forced to ride on the ground when a suitable flight form is available for me at the click of a switch?

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