I never said for Blizz to remove the manual matchmaking tools.
I am more celebrating Blizz for providing us with options to work around it/not use such systems if we choose.
I dunno WTF your problem is, with understanding that lol
So if Heroic Raid is your path, then join g a Community or a Guild, because as you’ve noted, pugging raids is hit or miss (mostly miss I would guess especially early on).
If M+ is more you’re thing then you DO need something out of low M+ and that’s score. Nobody cares if you’re ilvl is 700, they care about your ability to do specific dungeons so you need score in EACH dungeon. If you don’t like that you can’t just jump right into 7s, then again join a Community or a Guild… PUGs are not going to risk wasting their time on a player with no skill rating (regardless of high ilvl).
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Right, because it’s been around too long and the damage has already been done.
Only works in near fail safe conditions (low easy level content).
Ah gotcha. Started my break around that time so missed that. Thanks!
So yes i agree, its good they added delves i love delves, delves are awesome.
Im just pointing out that the highest level of gear you can obtain, has to remain locked behind group content, other wise this game is pointless being called an RPG or MMO, because other wise you might as well jsut run a hunter or Lock and cheese delves super easy.
Because the best gear is locked behind group content, you cant automate that, or allow solo content to easily get end game gear, not saying you cant get it but you cant get is easily.
Delves, while i love them, are proof of what happens if you allow it, delves have made low level mythics pretty much pointless now because of how easy it is to get champ gear out of them.
You are the one making a big show of someone just standing in the most obvious bad and blaming everyone else. You don’t need your hand held from level 1 to 80 to normal to heroic to mythic to know the obvious bad killing you is bad abd don’t stand in it
From what I heard, T9 and T10 delves are hardly “low easy level content”.
Number of players does not automatically define difficulty.
Look at Mage Tower.
No, not at all see my other post about that.
If you removed raider IO people would just find a new metric to judge you that is just as aweful of a metric. Because players have been doing that since the very beginning, Raider IO is just the new iteration of it.
Loot caps out at T8, so anyone doing higher than that is looking for a challenge, not “low easy level content.”
You musta missed the part where I said that most people who are interested in delves simply don’t care that they are not gonna get BiS.
They just wanted progression past Heroics and WQs (and/or events) but didn’t wanna have to deal with the BS you get from trying to PUG stuff and for whatever reason didn’t wanna join a guild.
Even at T8, it sounds like you have to do a decent amount of work, I hear it compared to Normal Raids or low m+.
/shrug
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Not at all what i said. I said matchmaking systems only work in near failsafe conditions. Delves dont have a matchmaking queue system for that reason. Mage tower never had a queued matchmaking system
So you’re capped on Runed Crest?
And you used all those Runed Crest?
And you’re still 606?
No. You are not.
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No, i think most poeple who are interest in delves are people who are interested in pushing into raiding and Mythic +.
I basically “retired” into a RP server, and everyone i know on that server that is pushing delves are the same people who push high M+ and push raiding, becuase M+ allows you to skip doing the grunt work of gearing which is low level M+.
Hell tahts what im doing at the moment, i just skip over low level M+ because there is no reason for me to do it any more.
I also agree, they wanted to give solo players a thing to do beyond LFR, WQ, and heroics. What im saying though is there are consequences to that to the rest of the game.
Those consequences are, low level M+ are quickly going to reach a point they are going to be suffering quite a bit because every one is going to be skipping over them.
Right now if you wanna go about the best gearing path, its heroic->Delves->M+i wouls say 6 and above and heroic raiding.
They are really not that hard, i solo them as a warrior all the time, with zero deaths, and have been since the other week. Delves are stupid easy.
Whats insane is that they are so easy compared to the effort needed in M+
You mean like maybe delves weren’t intended to be “exploited” by people looking for a short cut for gear doing them in 5 man’s and now you’re bored because you rushed through your gearing… Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
By “exploited” I mean Blizz didn’t do proper testing and scaling for larger groups and it was a cake walk it wasn’t meant to be
WTF makes you think that? lol. Delves are aimed straight at the casuals.
Why would someone who wants to push raiding or m+ want to get too deep (lol) into Delves when that’d surely just be time wasted instead of pushing higher keys?
Now, ok, maybe a raider might have a slot or two he wants to bump up a few i-level by doing a few bountifuls, but eh. I don’t see them going full on into it.
WHAAAAAAAAAAA.
No i think people just ‘exploited’ them to skip the line of doing the M+ grunt work.
M+ now is a LOT of effort for the same gear you get from delves which is the problem.
None of this would be an issue if blizzard had not squished and changed the M+ levels and what level gear you get from it
This same behavior is why we saw the change in dungeon difficulty. There was little need and little activity in the 2-9 bracket.
May see a shift like that again if this keeps up
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Every player in the game minus the cutting edge are eventually roadblocked from prog due to their skill ceiling. That’s how WOW has been since 2004.
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