We also have pvp communities.
You know pvpers, the people at max level who don’t pretend pvp at low levels with timewalking gear and actually have to rely on teamwork and skill to get wins?
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If you think twinking was why Wrath had a high population base you’d be misguided.
Correlation =/= causation.
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But I don’t enjoy the fact that I’m rolling some 100k hp guy who’s only 280 ilvl compared to me.
So you enjoy it cuz you’re BiS… how does that matter if they remove people who are leveling up? You’re still BiS. You’re just only facing other people who are BiS.
awww…Gotta love this type of response…
OP’s claim that twinks are keeping bgs alive is kind of a joke then, isn’t it?
Look…if you want the twink life you’re going to have to deal with the side effects then. Better than allowing twinks to bully the rest of the bg opponents.
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I do not understand how anyone can with a straight face claim a hotkey mmo requires skill. Does anyone even remember the botpocalypse during mists where a certain program went around roflstomping players in every bg?
You progress through gear in an mmo. This is how it’s always been. Furthermore the power differential between a fresh 120 and a geared 120 is much worse than twink vs non twink.
The only difference in that situation is blizzard keeps you on the neverending endgame treadmill. I suspect that’s the real reason for this change.
I imagine thats a pretty big draw for a lot of Twinks. But not really a concern for everyone else, while you choose to sit at a single spot and get as unchangingly strong as possible, it directly affects the people just trying to move their way through.
Now though, you have an entire que for yourself and those likeminded. Sure the change hurts but its great chance for you guys to build your own “perfect” world of unchanging gear and constant even battling with other twinks. If not letting leveleres being subjected to you is an attack on you then undoing the change would be an attack on levelers.
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I agree with this.
Scale stats and have a stat cap/ilvl cap per pvp bracket.
Segregating the playerbase into different rbg queues is bad in general for the fbg format.
Blizz is just lazy and wants to take the easy way out.
These arguments are just incredibly disingenuous. The same thing can be said of pvpers with 400ilvl at the 120 cap.
Why should new 120s have to pvp against players so thoroughly out of their league?
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I don’t think people understand that you need to have a negative or positive experience to actually engage with the game. Games like Dota 2 or league (which way outpace wow now btw) have stomps happen all the time. All that happens is the stomped people get mad and Re-Q, and the stompers stroke their Epeen and re-Q.
This happens at 120 too but at 120 you need to keep on the endgame treadmill. Falling into the systems blizzard has in place to keep people doing dailies/weeklies/their m+/raid etc.
Yes you do.
You also realize that the argument about progression is hot garbage because you are completely dismissing that the bracket has xp too.
That if people took the time to gear like you did in order to play those brackets, then the gear would be obsolete in a matter of hours.
Because, shocker, xp progression is still happening. They have to get to max level.
Twinks twist the progression argument to sound like they do real pvp. You don’t. Get to max level and do rated if you want to know what real pvp is. You won’t know, because you are playing a lower-tier simulation of pvp that is just “hotkey mmo”, since you don’t have to actually do any teamwork and one-shotting people is all it takes.
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Because everyone is at level cap then. Everyone is a “twink” at 120. Then the leveling ends and the gearing begins. Thats not true for the other 119 levels.
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Define this statement.
The piss-poor attitude of these twink players is why i’m glad ya"ll got separated. So now instead of gy camping people for 15 mins, ya’ll can sit in misery.
You deserve this.
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Wrong. That’s why there’s a rating system in Dota 2. The only thing is when people “twink” by creating new accounts.
I get why the pros do it as they may be testing out new strategies or toons and do not want to impact their rating.
Twinks vs non-twinks in WoW PvP have no such equatable excuse because there’s no rating.
No, it’s purely for the sake of stomping on fresh people.
Doesn’t matter how much you enjoy it. That’s a pretty tacky move, lacks any competitive play, and shows you’re interest is not in the competition of the game, but rather feeling powerful.
Go beat up some npc mobs then and feel powerful. There’s no reason you need to add to the misery of others. It’s pretty said if you need to beat up on the small to make yourself feel big and enjoy the game by stomping on gnats.
To. Many. People. Are. Happy. This. Was. Done.
Imagine if boxing had no rules or weight class. Pitting a heavyweight like Mike Tyson against a lightweight like Manny Pacquiao. Tyson would destroy Pacquiao. This is how I see twinks in the same bracket with everyone else. All it is, is a ridiculously unfair advantage. A twink is a gun in a knife fight.
Because it’s a means to an end in terms of gearing. The leveling process has no comparable gain.
Dota 2 and league are popular because you can gain a massive advantage over your opponent by outfarming them. It’s literally WoW but in a 1hr long package.
Most twinks do play multiple brackets already.
What you want us to do is coordinate with enemy teams in voice chat? Surely that’s not what Blizzard wants…
Then this needs to be the case at endgame 120 pvp.
“weight classes” for 260-300, 301-350, 351-400, 401 plus
Based on your logic this would be fair. And it would be. However, it would be at the cost of the accessibility of bgs. This means longer queues. Twinks dont mind playing against other twinks, but their own queue means there will be no matches or incredibly long wait times.
Of course, you won’t agree with me, because the problem isn’t the fact that twinks are overgeared, the problem is you don’t want to have to compete with twinks at lower levels by farming the gear needed to compete with them because “you’re just leveling” and you “shouldnt have to put in all that effort at lower levels to just pvp”.
So, instead of being rewarded with easy kills when putting in the time and effort to get a twink, they get excommunicated.
At this point they should just get rid of the xpoff mechanic, and force everyone to level to the cap if they want to pvp. Based on everyone’s arguments towards twinks, this is the logical conclusion. Why even allow players to xpoff is old content is “not important”?
Wrong. The forums is and has always been an echo chamber. Go to any third party site discussing this (No, not XPoff) and you’ll see a much larger divide.