I can’t name the twink on here. I can assure you that is true. 119 75,000 hp from Illidan and wrecking everyone.
That term “mongo smash” always makes me laugh. Such a funny term. ![:rofl:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rofl.png?v=6" ":rofl:")
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Pssh only 75k?
Those are rookie numbers. Gotta pump those numbers up!
I’ve often thought the entire game as a whole is just completely broken.
From the way gear scales, to the way power creep sets in at max level (every xpac), to the way max level content is not that engaging. To the way “lower level” content is not considered important.
This is a MMORPG, and some of the systems they’ve created for this game are just not in tune with that, and not in tune with what is the most important part of the game. To have fun and to go on an adventure. Twinking itself is not a problem or the problem, it’s just an easy red herring to pick at for why you got destroyed in 1-119 content.
“Twinks” aren’t playing a different game, they are playing the same game you are and are a result of it. And you the player who thinks “twinks” are the problem aren’t looking at what is causing it … the game design as a whole.
The main reason why they exist is because:
Twinks exist because the end game is not appealing.
The other main reason twinks exist/ed is because:
Twinks exist because the design of battlegrounds are that someone 10 levels higher than another person is a possibility. Which can lead to some very high differences in power.
The third reason, a little more lengthy reason is, which also relates to the first point is that the RPG immersion was lost. I won’t go into great detail but if someone requires it, I can explain.
Twinks ARE NOT the reason your game or game experience sucks. They are merely a symptom of design elements and of a process as old as the game itself.
But there is another layer on top of that. The game has been dying for some time. And to those people who say it was so much better from the end of Wrath through Legion because the twinks were in their own queues. Well, maybe for your leveler BG experience but how about the overall game? The answer is no, and why?
“because the end game is not appealing.”
The same main reason that twinks existed in the first place. So stop with the literal nonsense. Look at the big picture here.
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No. Twinks exist because people like to roll over other players. Period.
You can try to sugar-coat the truth anyway you like. It doesn’t work, and no one believes you. Not non-twinks, not twinks, not Blizzard.
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Here is a prime example, you put “twinks” in this mystical category (who likes to roll over players, who doesn’t?) but fail to see them as the same thing that is going on at 120. Twinks exist there too, and 120’s roll over other players too, but yet the game keeps losing players. Why?
“because the end game is not appealing.”
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Because people’s interests change.
Because people’s ability to dedicate time to the game changes.
Because they don’t like the changes that have happened to the game over time.
Your excuse that end-game makes people want to twink is weak as wet newspaper. End-game is not the end-all and be-all of the game for many people.
People twink because they want to stomp other plays. It’s the fact of the matter, not a mystical category.
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Except that’s not a fact. That’s an opinion.
Complaining about twinks as if playing the most powerful character is something new. Randoms at max level are full of fotm classes/specs. It’s nothing new or unusual.
Levelers asking for a safe space to pvp is selfish considering the number of ways they have to level. Are they wanting to level or PvP? Decide which is the priority and plan accordingly.
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It’s a symptom (if you want to call it an excuse, by all means) yes. Other symptoms are (like you said) people quit, peoples interests change, or don’t like changes over time, but twinking is still a symptom none the less.
Yes, I agree. I’m not sure why you are saying this in conjunction with the latter sentence because they aren’t co-dependent statements.
What this sentence states bolsters my stance that the reason twinks exist is because of the end game not being appealing. The same reason many other activities exist that are not end game content. You are trying to make connections that aren’t there.
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You keep saying this, but that ignores that twinks have existed since Vanilla.
If the end game is never appealing, perhaps the game just isn’t for you?
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Twinking is fine, it’s been going on forever.
But if you turn XP off you shouldn’t be in the same battlegrounds as those with xp on.
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It’s losing players because it’s a 14 year old game. People are moving onto newer and shinier. Other companies compile what people want.
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At what point again did I ignore twinks have existed since Vanilla?
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I’ve always thought this too. This isn’t the only game out there…
If that’s all you’re interested in, Fortnite is hopping.
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No, it’s not. The actions of twinks prove otherwise. “We want to fight other twinks, really!” was the response anytime twinks were complained about in the past. Blizzard gave them what they said they wanted: a separate queue.
Until that point, twinks were always an issue, even back in Vanilla, before leveling in BGs was possible.
And twinks disappeared.
They never came back in the numbers they said they had – which was another claim twinks made, “There’s more of us than you think!”
Actions always matter more than words.
Blizzard has decided BGs are another route of leveling, and as I pointed out before, it’s been than way for more years than otherwise. I’ve been in BGs with twinks on my lower-level characters where those twinks refused to play objectives because they wanted to farm kills. That is selfishness.
Twinks have no business playing with non-twinks.
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Ignore was the wrong word. Downplays would have probably fit better.
Still, if the endgame isn’t appealing, perhaps the game just isn’t appealing to you/twinks in general? MMOs are always gear treadmills, outside of a few exceptions like GW2, so if that doesn’t interest you I don’t think it’s the fault of the end game.
(granted, BfA’s endgame is pretty rough.)
Blizzard never separated twinks. They separated players who wanted XP from those who didn’t and did it very poorly. Unless you were part of that and saw firsthand how badly it was implemented, you’re sharing misinformation and opinion.
If you want to level, level. If you want to pvp, pvp. Just be prepared for whichever choice you make.
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Here’s the thing. I see a lot of broad sweeping statements on the forums. Mostly uninformed or highly opinionated, but stated as fact. Much like Idun or Greyhide do, and usually lack any sort of concrete evidence to support said “facts”, instead of them just saying it’s their opinion.
Yes MMO’s are treadmills. I’m ok with that. End game is another discussion, and I think it’s more than just raiding. It’s everything you do when you are max level. I’ll leave that for another discussion/thread.
Now if they decide to get rid of twinking I’m ok with that too but my original point is that the games systems are very old, and too entrenched at it’s core, that asking for changes to this game that don’t actually improve it are futile.
I wish they’d retire WoW at the end of BFA (put it in maintenance mode) and focus on making a new MMORPG implementing all the lessons learned from WoW.
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Yes, they did. And I was there; I saw the complaints about the implementation. I also saw that twinks did nothing years afterward except complain about how things had changed.
Non-twinks don’t need to choose between leveling outside of BGs and not doing BGs. Twinks have no business being put in with non-twinks.
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Funny you say this. I tried it once to see how honest that statement was. I joined up with one of the most popular and vocal twink groups who were very vocal and adamant that they only wanted to fight themselves. When I saw that they avoided each other on the play field, I asked. The leader said “you actually believed that? Don’t be naive.” shrug
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