Twinks are now just leaving BGs early

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 20, 2019, 6:27pm

Sure. Wherever it’s relevant, I’ll bring it. If you don’t see the hypocrisy, idk what to tell you. I am for people playing how they want, not restricting options. That includes twinks/premades/people with no gear (though I will bring that up if people post about gear advantages/disadvantages)

Oäk-bloodhoof · March 20, 2019, 6:29pm

Yep pretty much this

Kangmurloc-dark-iron · March 20, 2019, 6:31pm

The Xpoff separation has really removed a player base which would only add efficiency to these systems.
Having an “On call” class/spec role to join the active groups directed at any bracket is a perfect addition to Faster Dungeon queues,
and PVP roles for grouping purposes.

A seamless queue between XPon and Xpoff players within PVE and PVP, needs to be reintegrated to the entire system.

Edit, wrong thread.

Sthis-shandris · March 20, 2019, 6:34pm

I see the premade argument more as a scapegoat from twinks. Trying to shift the blame. I also see the rise of premades prior to the separating of twinks as a symptom of twinking. Group with friends to stand a chance. Think of your average twink, how many people does it take to bring him down? 3? 4? Half the BG? Now imagine there’s 3 of them. It’s not great going against a premade, sure. But it’s a hell of a lot better than going against a twink. I’ve seen several instances of premades losing to randos. But I’ve never seen a group of twinks losing to a group of randos. It blows my mind that you believe they are on equal grounds.

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 20, 2019, 6:35pm

There’s a reason premades are matched at max level. Something they can do because it’s all 120s in the same pool of players. If you are under honor level 30 and join a 30+ honor level player you are pulled to their Bgs. There’s a reason for that.

Sthis-shandris · March 20, 2019, 6:41pm

But we aren’t talking about max level here, we are talking about leveling. While leveling i’m not outgearing the average player by 50+ ilvls and 100k HP. When i’m grouping up with some lowbies at max level to help them get on their feet, it really sucks for the other guy, and it’s pretty unfair. But at least i’m cultivating the PvP community and not giving it a bad name like you guys are doing.

Not to mention (again) the elephant in the room. Blizzard supports premades, and it doesn’t support twinking.

Greyhide-khadgar · March 20, 2019, 6:44pm

I don’t think anyone honestly believes they’re on equal ground. It seems that blame is attempted to be applied to anything else in the form of rationalizations for misdirection purposes. The same logical fallacies were attempted in Wrath. It too went over like a lead balloon.

Going up against premades sucked sometimes. I remember there were even some servers that weren’t even an issue.

Player A: Oh crap! It’s a premade!
Player B: lol it’s just insert known servers here

But even less of an issue because those premades made an effort to get the BG over. Their norm wasn’t sitting in the middle or GY farming HKs. So you didn’t have to worry about most people deliberately dragging a BG out well beyond what it should.

I wish there was an archive of the old forums. I was going to quote the blue who said “we don’t support twinking, we’ve just been letting it happen.”

Sthis-shandris · March 20, 2019, 6:46pm

Moonguard. The server you’re looking for is Moonguard.

Greyhide-khadgar · March 20, 2019, 6:47pm

It very well could have been. I remember there were like 3 servers where you didn’t even bat an eye.

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 20, 2019, 6:48pm

Point is most don’t premade low levels. If we want to talk about advantages a premade against hushpups of wow is a big one.

Sthis-shandris · March 20, 2019, 6:51pm

But it’s not a big one in lower levels. It’s a small one. Because people are on the same playing field gear wise. And even in the 10-19 bracket, if you think heirlooms will give us a huge advantage, sure they will. And after 3 -4 wins we will be off to the next bracket, instead of sticking around for years.

Sthis-shandris · March 20, 2019, 6:56pm

I miss the old PvP days, even after the WoTLK twink split. Had such a good community. I still remember seeing the We Kill People guild tag on my old twink and crapping my pants thinking about going against them.

Greyhide-khadgar · March 20, 2019, 6:59pm

The true twinks did love that as well. The community was closer than ever and people got along much better. It’s just the crappy transitions and waiting for the dust to settle.

Myninja-llane · March 20, 2019, 7:02pm

The quote is out there and if you read the whole thing instead of just that sub-section of the whole statement, they also say they “technically support twinking” with the inclusion of the XP on/off switch.

I wouldn’t say we recognize it to be a problem. There are those who love to twink characters, purposefully trying to stay at a specific level with specific gear just so they’re more powerful than the majority of the characters within at least 4 or 5 levels of them. Then there are those who wouldn’t mind playing in a Battleground for fun now and then during the leveling process, particularly now that experience is offered. If Battleground queue times for twinks on any given Battlegroup are so long, I think it just goes to show what a small, niche form of game play twinking is.

As a company, we’ve never officially supported twinking. We’ve just been allowing it this whole time. Now with patch 3.2, we’re technically supporting twinking by allowing players who aren’t level capped to play in Battlegrounds without risking leveling up. The only fair way to do this though is to separate the twinks from everyone else, and thus you have whatever is left over in the twink queues.

Kangmurloc-dark-iron · March 20, 2019, 7:03pm

Nothing wrong with Twinking.

Greyhide-khadgar · March 20, 2019, 7:03pm

Thank you! “Technically” Now those who still believe it’s “fully” can quit lying to themselves!

Sthis-shandris · March 20, 2019, 7:04pm

Myninja:

I wouldn’t say we recognize it to be a problem. There are those who love to twink characters, purposefully trying to stay at a specific level with specific gear just so they’re more powerful than the majority of the characters within at least 4 or 5 levels of them. Then there are those who wouldn’t mind playing in a Battleground for fun now and then during the leveling process, particularly now that experience is offered. If Battleground queue times for twinks on any given Battlegroup are so long, I think it just goes to show what a small, niche form of game play twinking is.

As a company, we’ve never officially supported twinking. We’ve just been allowing it this whole time. Now with patch 3.2, we’re technically supporting twinking by allowing players who aren’t level capped to play in Battlegrounds without risking leveling up. The only fair way to do this though is to separate the twinks from everyone else, and thus you have whatever is left over in the twink queues.

That’s the most PC response to twinking i’ve ever seen.

Myninja-llane · March 20, 2019, 7:04pm

Either the support is there, or it’s not. There is no middle ground.

Kangmurloc-dark-iron · March 20, 2019, 7:05pm

Now that we have confirmed that, how about premades at lower levels?
Surely we will be utilizing the best options, as provided.

Greyhide-khadgar · March 20, 2019, 7:06pm

I wish you were correct, I really do. However, “it’s fully supported” means just that, fully. “Technically” as they did a little something but that’s it.