Twinks are now just leaving BGs early

Kangmurloc-dark-iron · March 19, 2019, 6:11pm

You can’t kill us, compare me to a cockroach if it makes you feel any better.
Still here, nothing has changed.

Åpocalypse-illidan · March 19, 2019, 6:13pm

I mean a few well placed bans for trying to exploit XP-On bgs should solve that problem pretty quickly… the rest of you can just die off waiting for your XP-Off bg queus to pop while pretending you represent enough of a population to give a damn about beyond your impact for normal players.

Oäk-bloodhoof · March 19, 2019, 6:14pm

Could say the same

Kangmurloc-dark-iron · March 19, 2019, 6:16pm

Ban the cheaters, as they should.
Sorry, I can’t see the rest of your post through my Rhinestone stunners.

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 19, 2019, 6:21pm

Hmmm can’t say I can prove it

Touchyfeelz-stormrage · March 19, 2019, 6:49pm

Here is reality for those not living in it:

Low level bg’s 10 - 19 and 20 - 29 the majority of levelers go in and cross their fingers they get in a good group to be carried for easy xp. They level out of the bracket if they get lucky with groups very quickly. Don’t say you haven’t done it, we all have when leveling is our top priority.

You don’t need to twink to smash levelers. Take a good player and enchant your heirlooms that magically scale while you level along with the enchants and keep popping those saltwater, use potions, flasks, food, professions. Everyone going to continue to cry? You won’t notice much of a difference between a twink and this type of player. The hilarious part is this player is going to level right along with you so get used to seeing him/her. I hope they don’t have friends doing the same thing and they que together. How unfair would that be? I mean c’mon right???

I think people are complaining a bit much on something that isn’t going to get better by separating ques. You’re entering player vs player not player vs unicorns and rainbows.

Be better than your enemy is the name of the game, some people take it more seriously and are just better players than others whether they are xpoff or not.

We all better just accept that fact when we que up for pvp instead of moaning that you got gy farmed by some meanies that were better than you and your entire team for that que.

Zycci-whisperwind · March 19, 2019, 6:57pm

Wait, so you do smash characters that are less powerful than yours? I see, it’s just wrong for other people.

So, you have no idea what it takes to build an actual twink character. Got it. What you’re referring to, by the way, is a throw away twink not a BiS project toon.

If it’s so easy and only takes 5 minutes, why not?

Evawyn-sargeras · March 19, 2019, 7:06pm

lol cute, made me laugh

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265 · March 19, 2019, 7:13pm

I can for anyone that is actually leveling. Hint: It’s all of them.

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265 · March 19, 2019, 7:14pm

Lucritius:

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265:

The problem comes in when those are enchanted, or slots that are hard/impossible to obtain for the bracket are gained like helm/shoulders/neck/trinkets for 10-19 particularly and 20-29 at times.

Hushpup,

First off, I’d like to say that I understand your personal desire to level without heirlooms etc. I think Solo Self-Found can be an enjoyable way to level and I have a character doing it too for nostalgia’s sake and Project 60 play. However; I think we both know that those very niche ways to play and are not the standard leveling practice for the majority of players these days. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

Head, shoulder, neck pieces, and trinkets are available as standard heirlooms too. When I first returned to the game after being gone for seven years (!!) the first thing I did was fill in a full set of heirlooms for my character. It was a good deal of gold for someone who was dirt-floor poor relative to the current economy, but it was still doable for an old 85 level character.

With heirlooms in the head, neck, shoulders, back, chest, legs, weapon, and two trinkets I was set to start leveling. The old bracers, gloves, belt, and boots I was wearing (again, after seven years of absence) were sufficient to keep me from getting roflstomped in BGs. I couldn’t afford enchants at the time, but that didn’t keep me from being able to participate. Was I a twink? No, I was purposefully leveling. Was I unable to defend myself and/or get curbstomped with impunity every time I left the GY? No.

Even now, if I decide to start a new character they begin with heirlooms in every slot except bracers, gloves, belt, and boots. If I did start another character to level would I enchant a couple items? Yes. A good neck and weapon enhancement is very useful for leveling and makes killing quest and dungeon mobs that much easier.

I’m pretty sure I’ve written this as Lucritius - Wyrmrest Accord. I’d ask that you please take a quick look at his armory. He’s definitely a twink by my definition and intent, but you’ll see that the majority of his gear are either heirlooms or came from BGs. I’ll grant you that the two engineering pieces required some effort above and beyond what I’d consider the average leveler being willing to put into a low level character and his current trinkets were earned by my 120 specifically for PvP. However; the standard Inherited Mark of X PvP trinkets and the Swift Hand of Justice trinket are regular heirlooms available via gold or Marks of Honor.

tl:dr- An average player has easy access to heirlooms for nearly all slots. The pieces needed to fill the remaining slots are commonly dropped from random dungeon and battleground reward containers. Therefore, it’s not unreasonable to expect that a player who is running dungeons and battlegrounds in addition to questing has a good chance of getting pieces to fill on non-heirloom slots.

Furthermore, while enchanting/enhancing gear may be “a step beyond” what the typical player may think of, getting a couple of good enchants for heirloom pieces that will be used for a long time is a sound investment for all aspects of leveling play.

Regards,
Vendorioc/Lucritius/Zinjud

The average player does not have access to heirlooms for all slots. You’re just another twink that’s confused on such things, that since you always twink your characters you think everyone else does on average.

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265 · March 19, 2019, 7:16pm

Lucritius:

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265:

Enchanting heirlooms and doing things like that is a form of twinking, which is why you’re able to do so well; since it’s not intended for those low level characters to have such enchantments and gear like that which is why they become so much stronger with them.

I also disagree with this statement. If the development team didn’t want people using certain item enhancements they would have ilvl limited them. Many of the BiS enchantments for lower levels can’t be applied to items with an ilvl above 136, for example. The Northrend belt grenade tinker can’t be used by characters below level 58 and adding that tinker to an item makes it soulbound, therefore unusable by lower level characters.

These two things lead me to believe the dev team has intentionally decided enhancements such as Elemental Force, Mark of the Hidden Satyr, and Incendiary Ammuniation are suitable for low-level play. These are also enchantments which can be applied to heirlooms, making them a good investment for questing, dungeon running, and battlegrounds during leveling.

Regards,
Vendorioc/Lucritius/Zinjud

You mean like how if Devs thought xp-off twinks were OK for a while in BGs to be in queue with xp-on people? Hint: things change. These things are clearly broken, and if enough push is given they might finally get fixed.

Mauden-korgath · March 19, 2019, 7:17pm

Where are you getting this “average player” thing from? What are you sources?

I have nothing to back this up, but I highly doubt the “average player” doesn’t have access to heirlooms. I don’t see many newbies these days.

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265 · March 19, 2019, 7:17pm

You still are, because you twink.

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265 · March 19, 2019, 7:19pm

*those that show up in excessive twinked gear hoping for easy kills.

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 19, 2019, 7:20pm

“Hoping” for? Your type would 100% be an easy kill

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265 · March 19, 2019, 7:21pm

Touchyfeelz:

Here is reality for those not living in it:

Low level bg’s 10 - 19 and 20 - 29 the majority of levelers go in and cross their fingers they get in a good group to be carried for easy xp. They level out of the bracket if they get lucky with groups very quickly. Don’t say you haven’t done it, we all have when leveling is our top priority.

You don’t need to twink to smash levelers. Take a good player and enchant your heirlooms that magically scale while you level along with the enchants and keep popping those saltwater, use potions, flasks, food, professions. Everyone going to continue to cry? You won’t notice much of a difference between a twink and this type of player. The hilarious part is this player is going to level right along with you so get used to seeing him/her. I hope they don’t have friends doing the same thing and they que together. How unfair would that be? I mean c’mon right???

I think people are complaining a bit much on something that isn’t going to get better by separating ques. You’re entering player vs player not player vs unicorns and rainbows.

Be better than your enemy is the name of the game, some people take it more seriously and are just better players than others whether they are xpoff or not.

We all better just accept that fact when we que up for pvp instead of moaning that you got gy farmed by some meanies that were better than you and your entire team for that que.

WRong, and twinks only twink to hope to get non-twinks to smash. Very simple stuff.

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265 · March 19, 2019, 7:21pm

The average player doesn’t have access to all of those heirlooms, let alone enchant them.

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265 · March 19, 2019, 7:21pm

Vs equal gear, you’d lose every time. CIao!~

Jugajr-emerald-dream · March 19, 2019, 7:22pm

I’m not you.

Hushpup-moon-guard-116265 · March 19, 2019, 7:23pm

Oh, I thought you said ‘your type’ then it’s just me? Odd to correct me and then get your own statement wrong. Oh well, the confusion of twinks I guess.