Twink advantage is broken

[Voroneg-amanthul (Voroneg)]

Sometimes people are just gifted at certain things. I’m not in my prime anymore, there are younger people that can run circles around me with their reflexes and natural talent.

I could play a FPS for years and get better slowly. Someone else could pick up the game and be crazy good in a week.

My thoughts exactly. Most FPS does not have gear problem. Its just skill. That’s why noone in their right mind there suggests splitting players into separate brackets. Because based on what woud you split them? Now compare it with WoW. I hope we aren’t argue that having class specific PvP queues would be moronic, are we? Paladin only queues anyone? Class/Spec advantage would be nullified there, yes?

Investment, time. Those two don’t equate to skill though.

Then why is suggestion about splitting xp off people who are 70% about gear advantage has more likes than any one of us fingers and toes combined, unless you’re from chernobyl? Entombing the problem and hope it goes away is just as idiotic as class specific PvP queues. The gear disparity problem won’t go away. But what it will do is get bigger and worse with every year. Suggestion to squish iL inside PvP Instances would cull the very incentive the maniacs among twinks who join normal PvP Instances and roflstomp lemmings who spend 3 times longer qqing on forums after they have been gy farmed than actually gearing to prevent being gy farmed.

[Eilane-kilrogg]

Screenshot of my enchanted BoAs ( no weapon enchants ) outdamaging at least a twink Rogue. Oh, nvm it’s not possible to output more damage than a twink

https://i.imgur.com/YhB4r9J.jpg

[Oäk-bloodhoof (Oäk)]

Na its okay your a twink because your >top dmg< /insert sarcasm btw

[Voroneg-amanthul (Voroneg)]

Screenshot of my enchanted BoAs ( no weapon enchants ) outdamaging at least a twink Rogue. Oh, nvm it’s not possible to output more damage than a twink

https://i.imgur.com/YhB4r9J.jpg

Perfect then I take it you would have no issues with an iL cap for xp-off people inside PvP Instances? Since that iL cap won’t affect your enchanted BoAs in any way

[Eilane-kilrogg]

Best in slot in the 80s bracket isn’t the highest item level, so it would change nothing in this instance. Outside of class balance and a few gimmicky items, PvP pre-120 is fine.

[Voroneg-amanthul (Voroneg)]

@Eilane-kilrogg

PvP pre-120 is fine.

Then what are those?

@Tarjana-amanthul

gg

@Cragar-stormrage

qq

[Oäk-bloodhoof (Oäk)]

a lightforge with greens no looms and missing a lot of slots

[Eilane-kilrogg]

Those are people throwing out bad information on alts. Ignorance runs rampant in these here parts.

[Voroneg-amanthul (Voroneg)]

Well guess what, I don’t know about second lightforged one, but I see 109 toons first one listed every day. They just run rampant slaughtering everyone, and gear iL is a paramount factor here.
https : / / imgur . com / 3vho1IZ
Ignorance is not acknoledging the gear factor above all else. Balance the gear inside PvP Instance and a class/spec issue get resolved faster than rocket boots.

[Oäk-bloodhoof (Oäk)]

Guess you didn’t play legion low lvl pvp then >remembers disc/survival hunters and a few others<

[Eilane-kilrogg]

Yeah, sorry. I’m not attempting to fix that link you posted. But if you’re talking about your personal character, your AH greens that weren’t competitive at any point during Legion probably won’t be now either. Item level plays a larger role in two of eleven brackets, sure. But this goes back to the whole argument of not having complete garbage gear to being with.

[Voroneg-amanthul (Voroneg)]

Yeah, sorry. I’m not attempting to fix that link you posted.

Well I don’t know how to make images work. When I try to post exactly same link as another poster does,

“pretty inline image”

it gives me error that I can’t post images. I probably need to have 6000 posts to have that privilege

But if you’re talking about your personal character, your AH greens that weren’t competitive at any point during Legion probably won’t be now either.
Item level plays a larger role in two of eleven brackets, sure. But this goes back to the whole argument of not having complete garbage gear to being with.

Exactly. Which is why I’m not justifying scrubs who show up grossly undergeared and then qq on forums that people bothered to gear dominate them, and that is why I’m open to this suggestion

Set a minimum ilevel that must be met in order for you to participate within instanced PvP

However this suggestion still will not fix the advantage that certain gear grants. Xp-off scrublords who have top gear will still dominate Instanced PvP, even with minimum iL requirements introduced. Hence the need for an additional measure of gear downscaling for xp-off players inside PvP Instance like suggested here:

Set an item level cap within the Instanced PvP on each gear piece for xp-off characters to a heirloom baseline for that character level

When those two are implemented, the gear disparity in the casual Instanced PvP will be a non-existant problem of the past, and actual player skill will become the key factor that determines the win or loss.

[Afks-dunemaul (Afks)]

The freshy 120s choose to queue vs the mythic plus and raid heroes. Is there any difference?

[Orbai-tichondrius]

btw it is pretty easy

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

I’ve had zero issues leveling two toons from level 10-77 and 79 strictly through Bgs. Sorry it’s been so bad for you.

[Frozengrip-amanthul]

The freshy 120s choose to queue vs the mythic plus and raid heroes. Is there any difference?

No difference. And that’s exactly why common players should get into habit of gearing up and improving their skills early, so 120 doesn’t come as a complete shock to them.

[Popejane-tichondrius]

Im not going to say that it is right or wrong to stomp the living daylights out of both newbies and long time players with my boomkin Nokitty. But it feels good to chase down those hordies and cook them like spam.

[Rämbø-arthas]

Oh hey Nokitty, I remember seeing you in a bg the other night. If I recall you were the one getting chased down and roasted good game tho, hope to see ya out there again.

[Eilane-kilrogg]

Twink MM Hunter w/double tap.

[Skullvock-sargeras]

Not a single one of these dipShtz have any ideal what scaling/templates or BASE damage is and they shure az fk do not see how it has rotted pvp away from the inside out.