That’s just horrible… like seriously. “Here let me hold you down while my wife tortures you because if I don’t you might die from it.” Then afterwards, “No hard feelings. I did heal you up, so that makes it all good now. Right?”
Just because the injuries are no longer visible doesn’t mean the crime didn’t happen, and enabling that crime makes you a part of it. So, he might not have done the torturing, but he enabled it to happen.
Roux, definitely gave characters an edge to them that was sorely needed in the era of Golden shielding Anduin and co from actual development. Shame she is sort of a terrible person, apparently.
The fact remains that Alleria was the culprit, not Turalyon, and I don’t see you condemning Alleria for actually doing it. Why?
So are you going to condemn Alleria, who actually did said crime, yes or no?
This thread is about Turalyon being a “good” guy and I’m pointing out that he helped torture a person.
I’ve dunked on Alleria being an idiot in other Alleria related threads. Why are you trying to derail the Turalyon thread? There’s a few active Alleria threads already.
Thanks for clearing that up.
they have, repeatedly
I blame the “show me your secrets” guy from og scarlet crusade dungeons.
The problem is that all WoW characters have skeletons in their closet.
Turalyon and Alleria really tortured civilians, but the guys spent a thousand years in a war where there were no limits. Fighting the Legion for a thousand years means doing what needs to be done. And finding that balance again in the “normal” world is not easy.
Jaina is an example: A good character, who had a terrible moment. After that she threatened to sink Orgrimmar, killed and tortured several blood elf civilians in the Purge of Dalaran, led war to Dazar’Allor, among other things, until finally getting back on track.
My point in opening this topic was: Many people thought Turalyon would be a villain. And the main points were the fact that he was a paladin, which in WoW means being religious, and that he was the current leader of the Alliance in place of Anduin.
Well, him being a Lightforged or a paladin doesn’t make him a villain. Because, amazingly, he IS NOT A FANATIC. People seem to have trivialized the word “fanatic” and forget what it means. A fanatic does NOT accept any other type of view. The Xe’ra was fanatical in the Light. Turalyon accepts other views. He accepted Anduin’s vision, and he accepted the Forsaken, he accepts Alleria’s vision and lives with her even though she has the Void completely in her. He accepts the Horde’s vision and works with them. A fanatic wouldn’t do these things. Religious people are not fanatics by default. Having a religion doesn’t automatically make a guy a machine for religious persecution, neither him nor the Lightforged.
Turalyon is a character with positive and negative points. Just like Anduin, Jaina, Thrall, etc. But it’s not material to turn him into a villain. Other characters did much worse things (Jaina, Tyrand…) and didn’t become villains.
they literally only didn’t become villains because they are on the alliance
A crucial point people brush over is that Jaina didn’t just threaten to sink Orgrimmar, she tried to, and the only reason she didn’t is because Thrall was there to stop not one, but two different tsunami’s.
That’s true, but we know your ability with the light directly corresponds to your conviction. There’s nothing wrong with having conviction, but we’ve seen how easily that conviction can lead to fanaticism with the Scarlet Crusade and the AU Draenei. The fact that the Army of Light are implied to have forcibly converted Lothraxion raises some concerns about them. Turalyon is still firmly a good guy yes, but if the story with the Light in an antagonist role that a lot of people are predicting does actually happen, I’d say it’s a coin flip where he sides in that conflict.
It isn’t just that he’s religious, it’s that he’s a long time member of one of the most extreme factions aligned with the Light.
Gets a green flag from me
He’s probably going to sacrifice himself in some pointless gesture however
Reminder: People who try to cite real-world comparisons when talking about Warcraft lore should NEVER be listened to.
Its really not a hard idea to come given, how anti religion most of nerdom has been since the 80s
Physical injuries may have been tended to (again I don’t recall that in the novel), but I do recall Alleria saying the mental wounds from having the void invade someone’s mind would take far longer to heal, and may never fully heal at that.
Lovely.
Just makes an already bad situation even worse.
Reminds me of reading up on some of the Drow techniques for information extraction, one character was a life cleric… Fear the healer is a good idea.
Then those people need to get over their antireligous prejudice.
The Satanic Panic over DnD ended decades ago; several of the game’s creators were religious people themselves (like Gygax).
And places like Soviet Russia and China show that getting of religion would not create a utopia despite the claims of people like Roddenberry or Macfarlane.
Turalyon has among the least reasons to become a villain of any WoW character.
Wow is far from anti religious though, religions are core parts of the world building for many races
Naw, there’s a lot of easy motivation to pull from.
Such as? I’m genuinely asking because I’m not very savy on Tutu’s lore.
But so far even with that barking he did during the quest I don’t think he’s gonna turn into a villain. I have been wrong before, though.
Well firstly, he seems to dislike the Horde. I believe he still taunts them on Dornagal. Since his main exposure was fighting them in the Second War and then on Outland to close the Dark Portal. He’s also, of course, a Light worshipper, so not really a fan of the void. Likewise he’d have good reason to hate demons and demon hunters having fought the former for so long and the latter destroying Xe’ra. And he has his family, void wife and son, which could easily be exploited for potential conflict depending on what happens to them.