nah…there are ways to deal with a DK (just look at higher ranked DKs) - there are classes with much more pressure and surreal damage at the moment. Rogues and DHs for example.
What does this mean?
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Damn bro I’m worse than holy priest.
Hey, uh, could you pass the FDK 'roids? Asking for a friend, literally.
I play with a DK who wishes dearly to play Frost but everything about it is abysmal, up to and including the damage being 2/3 or less of Unholy (maybe because Unholy is just OP).
Seems to me like Frost doesn’t need defensives, it needs to be a real spec that can be played.
You keep posting this everywhere, but I don’t think you’re going to single-handedly convince the entire Arena forums that it’s true.
I’m not going to advocate for UHDK nerfs, playing with one, but UHDK is definitely in a golden age of A++ to S tier that can’t last forever.
Unholy dk owns and is super easy to handle still to squishy for me to ever put it above arms but maybe it’s bias cuz i don’t play arms. Seems like they bring on par damage with less uptime but are tankier with more utility.
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Feral is A tier spec on its own with s tier comps like arc fmp, bm jung (debatable) and destro feral. The spec is just hard defensively and very punishing but good ferals are impossible to kill. Axtin himself says feral is A tier. The only ferals who think its bad are the ones that spam clone and never run/trade correctly. You can’t send ur drs defensively every go and expect to not be perma dead. STOP DR BASHING, MAIMING TO LIVE EVRY GO your offensive play is a big part of how you live as well. Shuffle feral is sketch and lobby dependent I will admit.
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The feral regrowth buff was way over the top and needs to be reverted NOW!!!
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I think the conflict arises when you take feral out of arena and put it in any other PvP content with more than a handful of players. Nobody is saying feral is complete garbage in arena.
Some say the bm 4pc is a dps loss after nerf compared to the mastery pc. Is this true?
This is the arena forums
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True against some comps. Still fantastic into magic damage though. Maybe a little too meta-dependent.
Probably so. I’m biased because I never felt god mode as Arms even when it was god mode (in Shadowlands), and I’d much rather fight a warrior than a DK (being a caster).
I’d say UHDK is better damage with better uptime / more frequent windows, and similar but slightly more niche utility.
Arms seems to consistently work in any meta with any partner, basically, because of its broad utility, survivability and mortal strike, but I think it’s fair to say UHDK is better than Arms right now still because it seems to be working in almost any composition due to its overwhelming and persistent damage despite its relatively niche design.
If you could see MS and sharpen value as damage nobody would ever think this is true.
Also dk imo feels way better into melee than it does into double wizards. The anti caster sentiment is persistent even tho AMS is getting blown off with one instant cast and a 3 second kick does nothing anymore
And no it’s not fair to say unholy is better than Arms unless you’re exclusively talking about shuffle where gameplay doesn’t matter and it’s just a dps race.
If the the 6 best players in the world had to win a 3v3 game with their life on the line they would NEVER take an unholy dk over an arms warrior. I can’t believe someone had ANY game knowledge if they disagree with that
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bad players want “xspec is just hard xsituation” to be an intelligent take so bad
it’s just not tho
besides that playing telephone and no context one off quoting good players takes received in passing from a twitch chat is so dumb lmao
look i’ll take a quote with no context and use it to define my opinion too !!
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i don’t think any of the specs in the bottom tier are unplayable
this entire expansion we’ve seen better balance on the bottom end than we’ve ever seen in the last 12+ years
i think demo l$d3, flpal, and fdk/evoker are all easy competitive enough comps
that doesn’t mean those three specs aren’t some of if not the worst specs in the game for various reasons tho
there’s no “worst” that doesn’t have access to a competitive comp entirely right now and that’s one of DFs biggest Ws
feral and enhancement (more enhancement) have extremely steep requirements that other top tier specs just do not
if i’m not playing with one of the very best rdruids i have access to my specs viability my own gameplay aside plummets
where an awful dhdk can pick up a day 3 rdruid alt and make 50 defensive mistakes a minute without seeing a fraction of the punishment
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Not sure. =/
I haven’t touched BM in ages. They’re damage was on par with mine prior, but now it feels like they are pulling ahead. Need to get more games in though to see.
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Yeah I definitely respect it and saw the pressure in Shadowlands. Doesn’t seem as impactful these days, idk why. Maybe I’m just playing bad Arms Warriors and UHDK looks better even when the player is bad.
I play with an UHDK and the damage seems crazy, and we almost never lose to Warriors so they don’t seem threatening.
I’m sure I’d feel that way playing one too, but from the way my partner talks about it working into casters, and experiencing some unkillable DKs it seems pretty good to me.
I agree there’s probably validity to this, in a tournament 3v3 setting where you know or can predict with some confidence what the enemy team is. Going in completely blind, sure Warrior is safer. I think there would be cases you’d want to use Unholy DK if you can switch after a few rounds, though.
But I’ve been arguing from more of a casual play / ladder perspective.
There are 3 Unholy DKs on the leaderboard above the top Arms Warrior who is 25th. At least in the US.
Warriors at 11 and 28 vs 30 for Unholy DK in EU. Maybe a better representation of high level play.
Unholy could maybe use some better balancing to not be so niche, and/or better in high-level competitive settings, but I think it’s doing better for the average player than Arms, broadly speaking. Right now.
I’ve talked to Axtin about this but alright. That was from almost a month ago when dh, dks and demo were running the brackets one shotting everyone.
Feral is in a good spot imo and I even mentioned how the spec on its own is A tier. Watch the same player you quoted play and tell me that the spec is niche/needs help even just a little bit as much the rest in your tier.
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What are these comps and the theory behind them? Is there any example of teams playing these and their rating / tournament placement?
- Enhancement / Destro(?) / Resto Druid
Give Enhancement room because enemy wants to stop the Destro? Also why druid in particular? Historical performance and for the lmao drugs name?
Wanted to try Enhancement this season, after messing around with it Season 1 on my primarily Elemental Shaman. Figured it would still be garbage, though, and for the most part seems that was right. I suppose you’re making it work.
- Feral / Destro(?) / Holy Paladin
Same thing but for Feral? Also why HPal over Resto Druid or something else? Is it Feral / Affliction with efficient HPal for a rot game?
Might be able to convince my partner to play Warlock because that was his first class - but he’d probably want to play Affliction and our healer always plays Disc no matter what since Vanilla…
- Frost DK / Devastation / X?
Is this actually good now? Also why does the healer not matter? Disc good for added damage? Used to be built around 1 minute goes with crazy damage, I think, but I haven’t seen it at all this season. Frost seems too weak…
Thought about playing this myself because my partner wants to play Frost, not Unholy.
Are you suggesting any/all these comps would be too strong if Enh/Feral/Frost saw buffs to make them generally successful?
I don’t know how to quote reply but I do agree with your feral, enhance take. And maybe comparing the spec to how a r1 plays it isn’t the best way to get my point across but I don’t play with r1s and I play with ferals mostly and god the spec is insane in like 3-4 comps. AND YES making it insane you have to try A LOT harder than most specs. I’m just trying to say that if it did receive help I don’t think the spec should be a lot tankier (which is the case most ferals make), especially with the damage they do already whilst running/being defensive a big chunk of the game.