Believe me, I understand both arguments, here. As an RPer, I’m not trying to push my agenda onto other players. The Market Value of said items is going to effect EVERYONE. Whether you’re for or against Transmog is completely irrelevant. Its implementation is effective to all.
What of my thoughts about limiting the “to” looks to grey/white non-magical items? Items that would otherwise be relegated to vendors?
Why vendor them, when you can put them up on the AH? My point still stands.
What I was saying is that without mogging, grey/white loot is basically vendor fodder. Yes you can AH them, but who would be buying?
What would be a negative effect of having grey/white look mogs?
Yes, without Transmog, most of them are vendored. However, from an RP perspective, I still use White Items for RP purposes. RPers, most likely, that are really invested in looking a certain way.
How do you implement this without needing to acquire the item in order to stash it under the Mog list? Thus, my point still remains about the market value of said items.
I don’t follow you. You would either find the item yourself via drop, or purchase from the AH.
The value of those grey/white items would of course increase, but I am having trouble seeing that as a Bad Thing. What is the downside?
The increase in value of said items, is the “downside”.
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Sorry, but that sounds a whole lot like a “#nochanges” argument. What about it is a negative?
This has nothing to do with “no changes” nor “pro changes”.
I explained it, already, throughout this thread, entirely. It effects everyone involved whether you’re Pro-Transmog or not is irrelevant. The Market Value of said items is increased ultimately effecting everyone around. Somebody wants a White Item for non-Transmog purposes is now paying Transmog purpose prices. That’s not fair, to them.
This is beyond some (not all) players trying to “look good”.
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Transmog no way I love classic without that.
And you would still be able to obtain them the same way you do without mod existing: farming for them. Free of charge. These are not limited supply items, nor would they necessitate running difficult content. They would be as common as you can get. I still do not see a downside to it.
- Likewise, with those wanting them for Mogging purposes can just go out, farm and hoard said items to be able to “look pretty”.
- They’re still not a guaranteed drop, either. One reason I can think of is Enchanting. There’s no Enchanting Scrolls in Classic. Therefore, Enchanters may just buy White/Gray Quality Items to help level their Enchanting.
Either way, you don’t deny that the prices will skyrocket. Just because you don’t view it as a “downside” doesn’t mean that it’s not. One thing I do agree with Kerg (sorry, don’t mean to name drop) here is not thinking about it from a “me, me, me” perspective. There are other players out in the world, here. And, they’re not all about that Transmog. Transmog prices effects their gameplay.
It’s completely a downside especially for those that don’t care about Transmog.
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OK, and? Not sure where you are going with this. It would simply make the vendor items more marketable to players. 
Again, without mogging they are not a guaranteed drop.
What? Keep in mind that I do not play retail, so believe me when I say that I haven’t the foggiest what enchanting has to do with grey/white items, which are not shardable, nor the subject’s relation to enchanting scrolls.
They would merely go from vendor-worthy to saleable to players. Prices of items going up is not an inherently “bad” thing.
You haven’t demonstrated how it WOULD be a bad thing.
The only thing remotely a “downside” that you’ve touched on, is that those who currently actually buy grey/white items off of the AH for RP purposes might have to either obtain the items via drops or pay more. Which is such a miniscule niche scenario.
It’s not a Rainman level ability dude…it’s literally recognizing tier models/colors and weapon models. After you recognize what you are dealing with, you react accordingly. It’s very elementary stuff if you PvP often. Something tells me you don’t.
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Sorry, not buying it.
Well you’re dense then. Git gud.
Where I’m going with this is that you don’t need the “Mogging” function to “look pretty”.
Exactly. Bringing up the whole “farming for them, so you don’t have to buy them, lol” argument applies to you, too.
Enchanting and Enchanting Scrolls has EVERYTHING to do with the subject matter. Enchanting Scrolls (in Retail, though it may have changed since WoD) provided Enchanters the ability to apply an Enchant onto a Scroll which counts towards leveling up their Enchanting because they’re applying an Enchant.
Classic does NOT have these Enchanting Scrolls. Either, they have to Enchant their own armor with Enchants (especially Enchants that aren’t helpful to them), apply Enchants to other people, or apply Enchants onto a spoof Item via Whites and/or Grays ('cause these Items can still be Enchanted).
We’re not talking about Enchanters DEing, here. We’re talking about them applying Enchants onto Gear to level up their Enchanting Skill. Which would be a non-RP AND non-Transmogging reason to even purchase White/Gray Items, in the first place. This is for EVERYONE (at least, anyone who is an Enchanter).
You’re thinking about it from the people making a profit out of it. It’s still isn’t fair to the players having to pay Transmog profits, for non-Transmog reasons. Transmogging is effecting their gameplay.
I have, multiple times. You’re just choosing to believe that it isn’t. And thought I was talking about DEing Whites/Greens for Enchanters, when that’s not exactly at all what I was talking about in relating Enchanters to Whites/Grays.
Miniscule niche scenario would be those in the Pro-Transmogging category, as well.
Besides, RPers, I gave you Enchanters, as well. Since, IK RP is considered to be “miniscule” to other players. Enchanters, however you don’t have to be an RPer to be one. Thus resulting their gameplay to be altered.
Again, bear in mind that I am neither for or against it. I would likely do it if it existed in classic, but I am not going to lobby for or against it.
And you equate “altered” with “bad” for some reason. You have demonstrated that gameplay can be altered, but have not made a compelling case that it is measurably negative to that gameplay.
I think I now get what you are saying about the enchanting angle, (that enchants that greys/whites would be imbued with would be retained when mogged from the high level gear?) but again I do not see how it is a negative.
You seem to be lobbying pretty hard for it, but I’m only ever slightly against it, for the reasons I’ve already explained.
I use the word “altered” because that is a fact. An alteration can still be “bad”, though because of the Enchanting situation. They, now, have to pay more because Transmog. It’s not a fair trade, especially those not interested in Transmogging.
Especially, when we’re trying to say “Transmog won’t effect the game”, when in actuality, it most certainly does.
I’m really not. I am completely neutral on it. Just having a discussion about aspects of it and how it would effect the game.
I never said an alteration can not be bad. I am simply questioning your use of the word, seemingly to paint something in a negative light. The point you made about the enchanting situation again, is just saying it is altered, but not how it is negatively altered.
I wasn’t making a case that it would not effect the game. But rather questioning how it would be a negative effect.
From my perspective it would simply flesh it out.