Rewards are too good relative to effort, the environment encourages bots, and they don’t give players the tools they need to succeed in real PVP. So, this is what happens.
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What exactly is your issue with them?
- They do not provide any relevant reward at all Honor Gear (the only thing they provide) is entry level and the bare minimum needed to enter the PvP scene. Giving new players a way to have small but meaningful power progression is a huge benefit to the health of PVP. Currently if you dont do training ground do you expect new players to just get stomped over and over until they maybe get some honor in random bgs or SS/Blitz?
- They teach you the basics of PVP and the maps
- Getting CC’d and Kicked by the bots teach you to juke or to have better positioning
- Making people play the actual objectives
- Fighting on the road in B4G lose the base because the bots capped the flag
Training grounds are one of the best things Blizzard has done in a while for the health of PvP because they added an actual on-ramp for new players and PvE players.
If you have such an issue with them they are completely separate to actual progression and are optional.
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They don’t teach people to PVP. It’s just more PvE.
But the masses have spoken! With 1 minute TG wait times and 9 minute BG wait times for the same rewards, it attracts the lowest common denominator as well as bots.
I could get behind a system that actually taught players the basics of PVP. This is just a joke.
It does teach the basic examples of pvp, as someone already pointed out to you.
Learning the maps, understanding you can get kicked/cc much more than in pve, learning positioning and to not ignore the objective are all basics of battleground play.
Can you get conquest from training grounds?
Pointless and inaccurate/baseless ad-hominem. I queued into these the other day with a few glad experienced players.
Training grounds does this, while providing linear progression.
Agreed and the best part, is now blizzard could increase conquest rewards from randoms and also put an Ilvl minimum so people won’t cry when someone with quest greens has the audacity to join their bg.
Maybe more people will get into random battlegrounds now that the barrier for entry is much lower, and then hopefully arenas. BGB has brought a lot of pve players to pvp given how much easier it is to achieve goals so I’m hopeful.
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my issue is it pays basically the same honor and rep as real random bgs while being free wins vs ai. i queued it to see for myself and every game is just wipe bots then push in then steamroll then ez dub
so what happens people arent training theyre farming. if the easiest mode gives bg level rewards players will min max it. thats not healthy pvp thats honor printing
also the it teaches you pvp thing is kinda cope. bots kicking and cc isnt the same as humans. humans fake swap punish do weird stuff and actually adapt. bots are predictable. training grounds teaches you how to beat bots not how to beat players
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i see your excuses and raise you an idea:
what if training grounds are only available to players honor level 30 and below?
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I’m not sure what you mean by excuses.
Also, that completely undermines the entire “gearing up outside of random bgs” portion of the experience. Not to mention no one is forced to do training grounds. Sure some people get more out of training grounds than others admittedly.
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Saying it doesn’t make it true.
Tell me how farming bots at Farm/Stables teaches someone how to play AB.
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Sure!
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It teaches the importance of objectives, even if you’ve pushed the team into the GY, you have to pick up/click a flag.
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Situational/map awareness, understanding back caps/back capping and playing around the flags in AB and not on the roads.
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Target priority, a newer pvp player watching an NPC’s health bar go up and down 4 or 5 times will help them to understand they will need to adjust their damage plan if they want impact.
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Crowd control timing, using HoJ/stormbolt at key times helps to secure a kill against a healer, also in this same vein, interrupt value both for sending and receiving.
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Positioning: It’s easy to over extend, even against bots, or arguably especially against bots.
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When to fight and not disengage from a fight that provides the team/objective no value, although this can also kinda fall under positioning.
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I can’t take anyone seriously who thinks people can learn all that from farming bots.
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Ad-hominem is your only tool, so not much lost here.
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It doesn’t. Not correctly at least. Strategy is always evolving and the bots they use are completely dumbed down.
This isn’t a flight simulator that a pilot would use. It’s literally just slop and it’s called training grounds.
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Here’s the thing: it DOES NOT MATTER IF THIS MODE TEACHES ANYONE ANYTHING AT ALL. Who cares? I don’t care if it actively makes you forget how to pvp. This mode is ESSENTIAL to be able to give casual players the ability to farm honor without running into premade after premade after premade.
The ONLY people complaining about this is the people running premades, because it’s raising the que times for randoms and they are having a harder time dodging queues to ensure they only fight casuals in the graveyard. Too bad, cry more. If you aren’t running premades this literally doesn’t effect you at all. Because you shouldn’t be queing randoms anyways, the mode is not for you.
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People act like honor matters… conquest gear exists it is like arguing that heroic dungeons provide too much gear. The progression for pvp is Conquest gear which is completely excluded from TG. Honor gear is a barrier of entry NOT progression
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So the only argument I keep seeing for TG is the gear. Because it’s quite obvious outside of gear TG does nothing else good. The bots are garbage. All it is is a pve farm that you don’t have to think about at all. If gear is such a big issue maybe we should think of ways to may gearing better. Honestly at this point just put the gear on the vendors for people to buy like the TR. But again TG doesn’t teach you anything. It’s kind of shocking a training mode still provides ZERO information on how things work. The fact that some kind of tutorial wasn’t put it with it is kind of shocking (or not honestly).
The other thing honor gear will be obsolete in a few months. So what happens to TG then? It dies and everyone crate farms. It’s going to be even more useless after season one because anyone who is playing the game will just be honor capped and be full honor geared day 1 of the new season insta.
I mean sort of, idk how much you learn by face rolling over bots other then clicking a flag.
Ah no. The bots insta kick so again you learn nothing. You can’t fake them lol.
It doesn’t make you play objectives really either. Just like comp stomp is just a mindless face roll. Not sure why people think anyone will really learn anything from TG lol.
If you are horde your queues are way faster. Idk why they just don’t make BGs cross faction now. It would help queue times A LOT.
This is how I feel too. The bots are so easily manipulated, they don’t act like players AT all. They act like bots.
Again outside of maybe gaging the map, you don’t learn anything about CC lol. They bots do things like bots. Insta kicks, insta trinkets etc. People are rolling over these bots now and people aren’t even geared yet.
On beta you couldn’t. I hope not.
The only thing it does is give you a way to farm PvE for PvP gear.
How does this help the barrier to entry outside of gear? All those players will still get stomped by people who PvP regularly. The bots don’t teach them how to fight players AT all.
Are people playing the same TG as I am? All this is is Comp Stomp with 2 added maps.
If this is the case remove “training grounds” from the name and call it PvE Bot farm for gear. Then take it out of the PvP category.
Wrong. I don’t do queue sync premades and am one of the loudest voices on the forums here against them.
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This. Honor gear does not matter. It’s the bare minimum. Making people get destroyed for their basic gear doesn’t teach them to PVP either since they’ll just get zerged and stomped by better geared players in under a millisecond.
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Except you can buy the items to sell for gold there, making it gold farm and encouraging botting/afk/non participation (They don’t ban for these)
Not really as it’s basically a no-lose condition game mode that doesn’t coach you at all.
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So lfr pvp but instead of player versus player its player versus bots
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ranked training ground when?
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Doesn’t teach you anything? Can’t agree with this. If you’re actively doing it, you’re likely learning something from the experience… Are there better ways to do this? Who knows. I just doubt there are many people who want to dip their toes into this PvP game anyway, so it’s prob. just a way for people to get easy Honor gear (for ilvl or appearances) - but that’s just a guess on my part.
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