I never said it did. I was just replying to the guy who claimed the Horde’s treaty with the Alliance from back in MOP(which the horde broke first btw), somehow covered that even though it was never once addressed.
I dislike Tirion, Khadgar, and Taran Zhu the most at the moment.
Tirion lead the Argent Crusade against Arthas but turned a blind eye to Sylvanas right afterwards despite being one zone away from her antics.
I really wanted to see Khadgar and Taran Zhu show up after Teldrassil and see how they felt about it. At least Tirion died in Legion and as such wasn’t around for Teldrassil, but those other two…
They say Apathy is the opposite of love not hate, I am the most apathetic towards Sylvanas and Thalyrssa. I just really don’t want to ever see them again. Them vanishing from the game to never been seen again would suit me just fine.
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What are you on about with this “make up” business? A treaty is not about tit for tat recompense. It is about ceasing hostilities between two groups. Your statement is irrelevant.
The King of Gilneas used Alliance resources sent by the High King of the Alliance in an assassination attempt on the Warchief of the Horde, after a treaty and mutual cooperation between the two Factions.
If Genn went to Stormheim on a Gilnean boat with Gilnean volunteers, I would lend credence to this argument. But it was specifically Alliance forces sent by the High King that Genn used. So Genn sparked the war by using the Alliance’s forces for his vendetta. Anduin gave him a stern rebuke, so he was not OK with it.
The fact that his only consequence was a rebuke is part of why he is irritating.
You willfully obfuscate my posts.
Genn shows no remorse, and offers no recompense. Anduin rebukes Genn, but offers no apology to the Horde for Alliance forces being used in an assassination attempt. Saurfang considered that lack of accountability when he agreed that the Alliance would provoke war at any whim.
It has nothing to do with what is owed. It has to do with accountability and consequences. The Alliance offers no accountability and suffers no consequences, other than what the Horde itself had to answer with.
There would have been no consequences without a war. Which is why the war was something Saurfang saw as necessary, due to Genn’s actions.
Even then it would’ve still been irrelevant to the negotiation. Treaties don’t work like that. Varian would’ve negotiated whatever he thought was best to secure an end to hostilities and Genn would’ve just had to deal with it since Varian was High King (which I still think is one of the dumbest things Blizzard ever did to the Alliance).
Hard to stand by that when blizzard has established the rend of ignoring lore.
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Illidan
Varian
Thrall
Sylvanas, Lillian Voss and Jaina sometimes.
Oof. Yup. Apologies. That is crazy.
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Well, they have that prerogative, as it’s their story. Whatever they say is current lore, just is. It’s bad writing to just arbitrarily change things, but still canon. We don’t get to do that.
And that’s the thing I dislike about Maieve: as written she doesn’t make sense. As you have pointed out, you have to ignore much of the lore about her in order to like her. I doubt any of her fans like because she was, until recently, a murderous racial supremacist.
The concept is cool - basically, she’s Batman without the alter ego - so I get why people are attracted to it. I just think the execution is botched.
She still is in Illidan.
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It may be crazy to you, but the lack of any actions against Genn or acknowledgement of wrong doing to the Horde is precisely what Saurfang considers when he concedes to Sylvanas that the war is necessary.
I do not say the Horde is “owed” anything. With the lack of accountability, we got our own vengeance, regardless of such notions. Yet, had Anduin made a public declaration and expressed any contrition, or if Genn himself stood up and offered any, it would have removed that concern from Saurfang’s consideration.
When the meeting with Sylvanas began, he considered a Makgora at the notion of War. But it is precisely the lack of accountability or contrition for Stormheim that leads him to concede that Sylvanas was right about the need for war.
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I remember early in BfA, I had this wacky theory that BfA was going to play out like a reskinned WC3. Sylvanas was Arthas, Delaryn was Sylvanas, Tyrande was Kael’thas, Anduin was Garithos.
And Kael’thas was made an enemy of the Alliance for teaming up with Vash’j, who was ultimate in the service of Illidan, a man who’s goal was to destroy the Legion while playing his cards close to his chest and feign loyalty… Who else does that sound like? Azshara (Given Legion = N’zoth in this analogy).
So yeah, I thought Tyrande and Azshara were going to begrudgingly team up, and Delaryn was going to attempt to assassinate Sylvanas.
Despite that being the “Force Awakens” to “A New Hope”, Blizzard gave us something much worse… “The Last Jedi” if you will.
Edit:
Characters I hate- Nathanos, Anduin, and Saurfang. Sylvanas is an honorable mention.
Ignoring BfA - Illidan, Thalyssra, Liadrin.
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Those are two different things. Hoping for an apology and reparations from the father of a child you murdered? That is crazy!
On the other hand, I agree with you that the lack of consequences within the Alliance for Genn’s actions was a terrible choice. It made Anduin look incredibly weak and unable to control his forces. It communicated to the Horde that they could not trust the Alliance, or at least parts of the Alliance, to not once again launch a surprise attack or assassination attempt against the warchief. Saurfang’s reasoning was not wrong; he just didn’t have all the information (i.e. that the warchief was looking for a reason to push both sides into a meat grinder).
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Maiev
Nathanos
Sylvanas
Three of the most mentally and emotionally unstable characters in the lore
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How DARE you
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She’s the caricature stereotype of a crazy woman
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In WoW and the novels, she definitely seems a lot so. Lately since Legion, they’ve written her a bit better, but not as good as her original wc3 incarnation. But I’d argue her recent appearances in the Warfront are close enough.
Btw, Nathanos to me doesn’t seem unstable… rather he seems too stable. Too ok with being a footstool for his qUeEn, which is why I don’t like him. I used to think he had character, but now he just seems like a Sylvanas minion. I cringe each time I hear “It is an honor to serve my queen”
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She was still crazy in her original WC3 incarnation. Legion was the most generous portrayal she’s been given.
Nathanos is one Sylvanas date with the Jailer away from getting a restraining order
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Probably when you see her over the entire arc. But while playing each mission, you see more of her personality than “Where’s Illidan?”, a caricature she’s been turned into over the past couple of years.
It’s only to the end of the night elf campaign that she actually goes full-obsessive, abandoning her allies and rushing into Outland
Maiev being unhinged is part of her appeal though.
It’s why Illidan is my favorite Novel. The way the author wrote her inner monologues… It was like, they always started on a point of logic, given her goal was to capture or kill Illidan. And they would slowly devolve into the obsessives gore fantasy.
It might seem gratuitous but, keep into perspective that she spent 10,000 years guarding him, and gave up many prestigious opportunities to do so. And Illidan was responsible for murdering her closest friends and allies.
I would probably be obsessive and unhinged as well… Especially if my headcanon is true that Naisha and Maiev were a couple >.>
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