Top 3 Most Hated Characters For You

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There was a peace treaty and mutual military cooperative actions between the Alliance and Horde after all that.

Genn used Alliance resources to attempt to assassinate the Horde’s Warchief after their treaty in WoD and after their joint actions at the Broken Shore. During the Legion’s invasion. His actions at Stormheim led to the home of the Night Elves being destroyed like his homeland.

His warmongering led to the lands of his Allies being destroyed. Burning Teldrassil and delivering justice to the Alliance for letting Genn do as he pleases is fun and a bit cathartic, as a Horde player. But again, he personally suffers little. Which is why he is an irritating character.

Sylvanas had many of the Horde leaders acknowledge she was wrong, and turn against her. So she left. Saurfang died. They had consequences. Genn gets nothing more than a rebuke from Anduin.

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I dislike Maive because she’s a completely flat character whose arc is determined entirely by plot exigencies and has zero internal consistency.

In Wolfheart, she was a virulent racist xenophobe who murdered to try to push her Night Elf purity agenda. She tried to kill both Malfurion and her own brother. But I actually didn’t mind that - it seemed like a logical extension of the fanatic that we had met in WC3 and TBC.

But then in Legion she is suddenly over all that. And nobody cares that it happened. Like, at all. When she tries, briefly, to bring it up, her brother is all, “It’s cool.” Tyrande even put her in a leadership position in BfA. The same Maive who had recently tried to kill Tyrande’s husband.

How does any of that make any sense? You can’t call it character growth, because we never saw anything that spurred this 180 degree change. There’s no growth, there’s just random, inexplicable changes. It’s the worst kind of writing.

Here’s what I think happened: They needed an Alliance villain for Wolfheart. Someone at Blizzard suggested that Maive was such a zealot, it would be easy to show her going off the deep end. Then they wanted to bring back Illidan for Legion, and someone else was all “If we’re going to bring back Illidan, we should bring back Maive, too.” And so they did, and hand waved her entire story arc from Wolfheart with literally two partial lines of dialogue.

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Ironic, considering her brother is as flat as driftwood. Seriously, I think people like him simply for the fact that he exists.

Blame that on Blizzard for their unwillingness to bother writing any characters whose race is Alliance bound. Its also apparent that Blizzard was trying to avoid faction politics even though they wanted to use their characters.

It only works if you throw Wolfheart out as the garbage Human potential™ wank it is. Consider her beliefs in WC3 and then factor her arc in Illidan. Blizzard wants you to forget Wolfheart’s lore in Legion because it conflicts with the DH/Warden lore they want to expand on, and possibly because it just sucks to begin with.

Take Wolfheart out back and give it the old Yeller treatment it deserves. The Worgen will thank you for it.

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Anduin because he’s poisonous to all the characters around him and is used as the writers mouthpiece for morality, so being in a position of power and high king of the alliance military? That really ruins the alliance’s story and makes everything insanely uninteresting.

Sylvanas, everyone she fights has to be written as pretty stupid because the writers aren’t clever enough to write, so we get someone with below average intelligence beating someone with a room temperature IQ. Plus her anime powers are getting out of control, all because that writer has her as his waifu so he can RP as nathanos on twitter.

I don’t know about a third, maybe Thalyssra? She was saying “we want to rejoin the world as protectors of Azeroth, not conquerors”, so she sticks with the faction trying to conquer the world and committed genocide, and even passionately fought for them afterwards. The faction that was trying to exploit the literal lifeblood of the planet for weapons of war, all because Tyrande asked how could we trust you, before Tyrande helped save the nightborne and their city. So she comes across as insanely petty to me, when she seemed totally different in legion.

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Top three for me

Callia: She comes across as an exceptionally poor fan-fiction character, and I was legitimately surprised and disappointed that they actually spent time giving her an in-game model. I do not understand who this character is supposed to appeal to, or why any Forsaken fans would want her associated with the faction. At best, she’s some tie-in for the inevtibale “teh lite iz evul too” storyline. At worst, she’s the new Forsaken leader.

The supreme irony of Callia is that, in the same expansion she was introduced, they also brought back Whitemane as a Death Knight. With the sole exception of being a Naaru puppet, I can’t think of anything that Callia could do better than Death Knight Whitemane - even leading the Forsaken. (Yes, Whitemane leading the Forsaken is a stretch in and of itself, but it’s still a better story than Arthas’s long lost sister who only just appeared and is now undead and besties with a naaru and Anduin).

Baine: How is it that he’s been around since TFT and still feels like a character in training? For the life of me, I can’t think of anything he’s actually accomplished or excels at. He’s strong and spouts off stuff about honor, but that’s about it. Oh, and best friends with Anduin for some reason. He’s literally the one “leader” who it feels like doesn’t actually have an associated class or skillset (yeah, he’s a warrior, but are you really going to put him in the same category as Saurfang, Varian, or any other actual WoW warrior?) He’s Chieften only because he’s Cairne’s son and no other Tauren has challenged him for his role. Even Anduin at least has somewhat proven himself, what with his stint in Pandaria and all.

Baine is awful and incompetent to the point that Mayla - a character who’s basically Female Baine - is actually the better Baine of the two. This is mostly accomplished by her just having become Chieften pretty much right before the PC Legion story begins, so her inexperience is believable. Oh, but she’s fairly competent by the time the zone is done and invasions start happening, so she actually grew into the role. Baine, on the other hand, still feels like his WC3 ultimate hero ability would be “Find an Adult (Runs to the nearest actual leader so they can solve your problems for you)”.

BfA did Baine no favors. After all the effort they tried pumping into him to make him somewhat respectable, he ends the expansion by not confronting Sylvanas, being a prop for an Anduin cinematic, and getting bamboozled by Kiro. Kiro for Warchief btw.

Third would have to be a pretty distant third, so we’ll go with Genn. Geen feels like they wanted to tell a story of hubris and the resulting fall, but they missed the mark. Mostly because, as others have pointed out in this thread, Genn’s never the one to actually pay for his own mistakes. So, I really can’t sympathize with his story all that much, and find it a bit annoying when its interwoven into the game. Also, I don’t quite understand how he’s still alive after Stormheim - him taking a black arrow to the chest should have been significant (also Sylvanas not shooting him in the back of the head as he walked away).

Honorable mention would be Zappyboi. I don’t have anything against the character, but I’m not thrilled with how they’re really trying to build him up out of nowhere. It seems like an extremely hit or miss approach (with Callia being an obvious miss).

Oddly enough, I don’t actually hate Anduin as a character. I don’t find him very interesting (feels a bit generic), but I don’t hate him for that. I do think he’s a bit overplayed in the story though.

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Aethas. The man started out as a reasonable person: let go of the past to face a larger threat. But mop and legion ruined him. At best he’s an idiot, and at worst he’s a coward. I don’t think anyone likes him.

The Celestials. Their court ended up being a waste of time for everyone involved. Whatever lessons the characters were supposed to have learned flew out the window in the following expansions.

Taran Zhu. At least some of the time. He’s the epitome of why I hate the faction war. The alliance reacts to horde aggression and escalation, resulting in a fight for survival. But characters like him show up and moralize the faction as fighting over petty differences. It’s worse when you realize the pandaren fight off threats all the time. Especially Lei Shen.

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I agree very much with this post.

Indeed.

At the time, I could kind of convince myself Sylvanas had some reason to let him just walk away. Maybe she was not entirely evil, and felt Genn could help fight the Legion. Maybe she wanted to maintain a modicum of peace with the Alliance. Maybe she was still sort of OK with Genn, and understood his hatred of her. But then we find out she is clamoring for war shortly after, and she is intent on feeding countless souls to the hungering darkness.

So why did she just clutch her bow really hard, instead of filling him with arrows as he walked away and ran his mouth? Oh… because he is “Getaway-With-Everything” Genn. No other reason.

Funny that Genn’s IRL sycophants bemoan Sylvanas’s plot armor. She actually faced consequences. Like dying, going to WOW Hell, and being forced into things she loathes, like being Warchief to further The Jailor’s schemes. Genn literally just walks away from a soul hungry mass murderer after breaking her toy.

Hehe. Funny.

Indeed.

Kiro: “News spread to Vol’dun about Rastakhan’s death. I couldn’t believe it. I understand the Alliance wants to stop the Horde… but this is too far.”

Yes, little Kiro. The Alliance has gone too far. That guys wise.

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My personal policy when dealing with WoW characters is that they get at least one “what the heck” get-out-of-jail-free card when dealing with any lore that wasn’t in a prerendered cutscene, since that seems to be the stuff Blizzard is most careful about not retconning.

This is Maiev’s.

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I mean, that’s entirely the cycle of the Horde’s story, at this point.

Step 1: Unspeakable atrocity.
Step 2: Be ok with it for a bit.
Step 3: Magical handwave, through a scapegoat or other plot device.
Step 4: “We’re good guys again. Honest.”

If it’s so gratingly annoying on a single character, imagine how it is when an entire geo-political power that takes up half the game gets to skip merrily away from the consequences of its actions, consistently.

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Sylvanas. She’s never been a good character imo. She’s pretty much never learned from her mistakes or past experiences, and instead continues to act like an entitled teenager or mean girls parody. An unfunny parody. People keep saying she’s a strong female character, but I don’t really see it in what I’d classify as a ‘strong character.’ I see a character written as a controlling sociopath with good plans, but consistently terrible execution on her part. (Until recently.)

Nathanos. Because he, literally, just exists to boost Sylvanas’ ego and do whatever she wants. He thinks way too highly of himself, and constantly jabs and sasses the PC because… ??? You’re a threat to being Sylv’s favorite dog? Because you’re competent most of the time? Because his wiener doesn’t work? I’d say it’s because you’re not Forsaken, therefor he doesn’t trust you… but I’m pretty sure he treats Forsaken the same way.

It’s hard for me to really pick a third. I’ve always hated Malfurion. I hate Nomi. I hate Valeera. I kinda hate Bwonsamdi… (not because of his portrayal, mind you. But because of Warmode. >/) I hate the NElves that died and came back as Dark Rangers “ElUnE hAs AbAnDoNeD uS.” I don’t like Kiro, but I don’t hate him… The goblins that aren’t Gazlowe’s crew.

… It’d either be Yrel or Akama. But I’m gonna say Akama, and put Yrel in 4th.

Akama agreed to assist Illidan in exchange for the Black Temple. Which Illidan said ‘yes, but first we deal with the Legion.’ A greater goal, and the faction that any draenei should hate more than anything, right? But, like, half a minute (yes, it was a couple of years. But Akama is from a race that has no upward limit on how long they can live, so even a decade would be a small price to pay to see the people that destroyed my home wiped out.) Yes, Illidan kept putting it off and kept things secretive, and he was terrible at communication. Yeah. 100%. But the man’s sole motivation at this point is to destroy the thing that destroyed every home you have ever known. The thing that mislead your people and brought them to ruin. Rather than giving him the smallest fraction of time, after one or two years you decide that you were the one betrayed?

So, you go back and you undo EVERYTHING and ruin the one individual that had been working non-stop to stop the Legion. Getting people you don’t even know to help you. Getting help from both Alliance and Horde, meaning you’re willingly putting at least some trust in the greenskins that made a literal road out of your people’s bones just so you can have a corrupt temple back. Yeah. I agree that 90% of the stuff Illidan did was awful, and I would never agree with doing it unless the situation was dire. But your people are STILL out there, STILL fighting against and hiding from the Legion, and you’re going to let the greater evil live another day because you want the defiled temple back.

This isn’t even wanting it back so it can be a beacon of the Light again… even if it was, that’s not smart because now if the Legion decided it was worth it? They could just take it back and wipe out all of the Ashtongue AND you. This is wanting it back because of a memory of what it was.

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Ya know what, I just remembered a character that is so bad that they actually reach the level of “hate” for me.

Calia Menethil. Her mere existence is an abomination for the narrative. Sometimes I think I dislike the character so much my brain actively suppresses any acknowledgement of her existence. She’s just a giant, steamin’ turd Blizzard dumped all over the Forsaken’s 15 years of story and lore.

And oh yeah… Aethas Sunreaver… another character my brain is probably actively suppressin’ from memory.

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Honestly, as long as she still exists, it’s hard to drum up “hate” for any other character in the story. I don’t know of any other character who has ruined the story further than she has.

Any other character that I don’t like is pretty much chalked up to bad writing- so it’s technically not that character acting like an idiot. I would for example, list a bunch of Horde characters here for stupidly going along with Sylvanas during BfA, but in reality, they’re not terrible, just terrible during this expac.

Though I suppose there are a few I can single out:

Lor’themar: The blood elves are masters of wishy-washy allegiances and Lor’themar is their king. Betraying the Alliance in BC, betraying the Horde in MoP (only to have a change of heart later) exiling their own kind on several different occasions- and then hilariously crying out “TRAITOOOORSSS!!!” when said exiles start working with the Alliance. It’s quite hilarious.

Thalyssra: This bleep. Ungrateful and unrepentant little minx who is doomed to repeat the mistakes of her forebear. I’m surprised she didn’t have any misgivings during or after the WoT, but thay would’ve required Blizzard to be conscious of the decision they made to make Nightborne Horde and not just neutral.

Anduin: I dislike Anduin, maybe not as strongly as others here do (I take solace in the fact that he threatens the foundations of everything the more militant and repugnant Hordeposters find dear) but I do dislike him nonetheless.

Anduin’s ideals threaten the future of the Alliance simply because without the more aggressive members like Genn and Tyrande, the Alliance would lose its teeth. And I don’t want that to happen. I prefer the Alliance to have some edge to them, and not just be steamrolled by the Horde every single encounter.

Because the worst part in all of this is that he would just forgive them over and over in the end.

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But…this is the story forum. We can’t just ignore the lore we don’t like.

Or BfA never happened.

Hmmmm…

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Imagine? I don’t think Horde players have to imagine what that feels like. Imagine being written as, in effect, a constantly relapsing addict.

It sucks.

Edit, actually, “constantly relapsing addict” is only half a metaphor. When Blizzard first wanted to explain why the Horde weren’t monsters anymore, they explained that the Orcs were addicts, literally, but had now kicked the habit. Except the first time Blizzard needed the Orcs to be antagonists again for a storyline, what happened? Grom had a relapse.

And thus the pattern was set. It’s only now become metaphorical.

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Gilneas wasn’t part of the Alliance when that invasion went down. Therefore any treaty made with the Alliance does not make up for the fact that they invaded and blighted and killed Gilnean citizens. The Horde invaded and blighted a independent and neutral nation and has never once apologized or been held to task for it. Nor have they made up for it in any manner what so ever.

If you want an apology and recompense from Genn for Stormheim then you must admit it is first owed to him for Gilneas first. Or do you not agree the same standards must apply evenly? Rules for thee and not for me? Now we get to the truth of your “argument”.

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Who asked for that?

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The person I replied to. Read the thread, he’s been saying the horde is owed it the entire time and using it to say that Teldrassil was justified.

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I did read it. Nowhere did he say that Genn owed the Horde an apology and recompense, as far as I can see.

He’s pointing out, as many have, that Genn behaved emotionally and it led to pretty drastic consequences. Which is true. I mean, I’m a parent. I get why Genn hates Sylvanas, and I would have attacked her too. It’s still a terrible misuse of resources in the middle of a Legion invasion, not to mention going against his orders.

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Missed that part did you?

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Gilneas’ independence prior to the Cataclysm is pretty irrelevant when it comes to negotiatin’ whatever was negotiated at the end of BFA. I don’t remember nor really care if it was a ceasefire, treaty, or armstice.

Sure, Genn could’ve probably tried to use it as a bargainin’ chip, but I doubt it would’ve been used at all considerin’ the negotations were between Anduin and Baine - the two biggest peacemongers in WOW.

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