It’s a different scope of efficiency. They can still prefer efficiency in AV.
Classic pvp is all about preparation and dedication, it has very little related to personal skills.
Rank 14 isn’t a symbol of skills, it is a symbol of dedication.
It’s the same thing for pve as well.
If you want to show off your skills in classic, you play wrong game. Classic requires little to no skills to be the top. And that’s one of the main reasons people play classic.
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^ I agree with this.
What was the point of that guys post and why do people bother to make useless posts like that in almost every thread like this? No clue. Other than him bragging about something as irrelevant as his video game arena rating, which is all that was as he clearly gets an ego over it.
Now with that being said should people try to improve in even a battleground setting? In my opinion yes, because it’s just more fun to play better. Although battlegrounds and arenas are also different environments too.
The OPs point was to say that he wants the other BGs to be more played which I agree with. If I am going to do any AV ranking though I want to at least be able to backcap and defend. Thankfully the horde side is mostly fine with this. I’ve done the drekorkek thing on alliance and hated it. What I’ve been seeing definitely fits in line with most of the Era alliance simply not liking PVP, whereas the Era horde do more universally enjoy it.
You’re just assuming everyone sucks and preparation is the only deciding factor to winning. You’ve clearly never played the game before
Wait, what? How come then players in full best in slot, poppin mad consumes still get clapped by worse geared players who use less consumes?
If you want to show off your skills in classic you play the game, no one gives a flying leap over a rolling doughnut about a pvp rank… Hell, I don’t even care if a players had Glad in later versions excluding they have Rank1 because glad can be bought.
Ehh, depends on how sweaty your guild is, if you’re playing to just clear then its cake, but If you are on a speed clear team competing for top 10 then ill betcha most of the top 10 team players are wildly better than you would ever imagine.
I see inexperienced players from various games point a finger saying X game takes no skill, but the truth is those players have no perspective and just don’t realise that games being very simple on the surface does not mean they do not contain nuance, or skill required play…
Another way to think of this is a new player to retail thinking the whole game is boring AF and face roll easy because the non mythic pve is literally face roll AF.
As for pvp in vanilla era, PvP is as easy or challenging and skillful as your opponents are, this is universally true in every PvP game ever.
No regrets… This game was well over an hour, but so much fun.
https://imgur.com/a/JoBGBbDToday, almost 2Hrs ago.
Both sides had like 15 - 20 on def, was glorious.
After reading the last couple of comments I just wanted to clarify that I do think that there is an aspect of skill that can be shown, both in personal and team play, with Classic PVP and battlegrounds. Knowing how to play and how to use your tools matters.
What drives me nuts is when people bring arenas into the conversation about a version of the game that never had them and then proceed to act like they are better than others because they prefer arenas.
Right before reading this, I was lurking on a thread in the Wrath forum where some guy was going on about how he is so much better than RBG players because he does arenas, all while showing that really he’s just an arrogant lowlife jerk and therefore is NOT better.
Just wanted to point that out.
Also, it does look like the OPs concern about the AV meta was accurate which is a shame for people who like the other BGs more. Here’s hoping that the meta shifts but if not there will be a decent amount of PVP-focused players just skipping a more “PVE-focused” ranking entirely.
easylol is a ellie sham / hunter? There’s no way I’d let that guy only die 4 times!
Fire mage, is geared out the rear.
I think the meta will shift a bit after the massive surge of fresh 60’s are exalted.
Probably. I just know there are some people who are kind of bummed right now though because WSG isn’t really going. Like last time in SoM.
I’m personally okay with some AV as long as it’s not just those base races. For that matter I’ve been trying to get this druid up to 60 so it doesn’t feel like I’m as much of a carry in there but I’ll probably be back before that because I haven’t had the time to level.
Presently its RNG on what AV will play out as…
Some games are a race you win, some a loss.
Some games are a lopsided turtle.
And on rare occasions you get a glorious double tortoise,
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Even less wsg and almost no ab this week. With as fast as most AV’s are moving it easy to break 10k honor an hour average. WSG you’d need to win roughly 6 games per hour to match that. Literally not possible unless you’re in a pre-made farming lesser competition.
Actually Avillager did hit the nail on the head here. It takes little to no skill to play any part of Classic Era. Anybody who has done Mythic Raiding / M+ Grind 15+ or Rated Bgs knows how simple classic era is. Whether pve or pvp there is only a fraction of Classic Era that would even be capable of competing at higher levels in retail.
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I told both you and Lazarak that AV was going to be the Meta and it will continue to be. Large participation in WSG/AB is only going to happen if there is Honor Per Hour average available at a rate similar to that of AV. This would have to be combined with a stat Equalizer, banning bombs, faps, etc. Then WSG and AB might be worth q’ing for. Of course that would create an actual competition even further traumatizing the former Pre-Made bracket Mafia. We need to take it slow now. I highly doubt the likes of Lazarak is ready to come out from behind the Naxx geared warriors skirt. Mabye by the time SOM 2 / Classic+ comes out.
Did I mention my own rating at all? Your reading comprehension skills are on point 
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I already have been playing against the naxx teams dude. Their gear makes little difference if they fundamentally don’t play the bg priperly.
When wsg was popping I was making 15-18k hph in a prem week 1 even while runnning into over geared naxx teams
AV meta is the same exact thing every server every single time. AV starts out the meta till everyone can get exalted. You really think all those players across 8-9 AV games are playing av so they can pvp? Once the fresher toons get exalted it’s business as usual back to raiding and logging. I played AV too cause my fresh priest needed rep. Not cause I wanted to make 10k hph
That’s when the meta shifts to the other BGs again. It happens every-single-time
Happened on classic, happened on som, and is happening now on era
And btw the notion that over geared naxx teams are out steamrolling bgs is a lie. There was only ONE full geared naxx team last week and I’m friends with them. The rest of the actual teams were a mix of mostly mid geared to low geared toons with maybe 1-2 naxx players
I find it ironic you think I’m playing with a naxx premade when my warrior was in TUF and stockade Paul’s Ron’s and my priest is basically prebis with cold forged hammer and skull. You’re just mad I told you you sucked at warsong and you’re coping comparing RBGs to classic that nobody cares about nor arena. Two completely different games. You just aren’t the type of player to be effective in wsg/ab you don’t have to cope just play something you’re good at instead. Like sitting in a tower in AV
No a stat equalizer and consume ban wouldn’t make it competitive. You should be having those items on you if you plan to be competitive. Stop trying to dumb down the game
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Nobody asked about retail battlegrounds. Nobody here cares.
If I told you “well I can’t beat you in AB but I’d farm you in overwatch” would you take me seriously?
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Just to be clear, if they’re high rated in arena it’s pretty much a guarantee they’re better than 99% of people that spam Classic BGs - with that 1% being those who are capable/do have high ratings in arena. Sure they’re two different PVP scenarios, but it’s a marker that clearly shows one’s competence in PVP, something Classic does not have which allows anyone to claim they’re good.
Fact of the matter is most classic players are bad, but delusional enough to think they’re good. That’s why when Arena is brought into the convo they get upset, because they know the truth back when they made their attempt at it.
Take another hit of that copium 
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Classic has no hard rating figures like arena does. If classic BGs had an RBG rating similar to retail you wouldn’t even have brought that up. It’s just the games doesn’t have figures to go off of like arena and RBGs.
I’ve been asking for an RBG or some sort of figure for seasonal for a while.
And I do agree, too arena players who are regularly rank 1 etc are good at the game. During the classic AB and warsong tournaments some of these well known arena players took part and lost to “a bunch of classic andies” - was it cause the classic andies were better than them or was it cause classic BGs and arenas are just two different modes of pvp that require a different set of tactics?
My team played with one of those rank 1 players. He’s very good at the game. I also know players of the same class who play just as effectively and don’t play arena.
It’s really just giant cope to think classic requires zero skill whatsoever when it’s just an entirely different form of pvp
I’m all for bringing on hard metrics or ratings like rbg and arena uses. (Only for seasonal). But even niche non competitive games are made competitive by the community itself. In their own ways. It doesn’t have to be mainstream to be fun
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