equally unfortunate for Blizzard, this is making things difficult for them to get my sub money and expac purchase.
Get your stuff together, Bliz, get it in bag if you need to, but get it together, or starve. I don’t care. I don’t need any alliance story beats nor am interested in paying for them.
I didn’t say that they were changed in canon or the storyline. I said that in the original storyline, these were HORDE characters and, to allow the Alliance something to do, they changed those actual Horde characters that you were originally going to follow to ALLIANCE characters, which is why even people who are not writers can feel the awkwardness.
Again, I’m not praising the storyline, I’m explaining the mechanics of how it works to you. Whether you like it or not is a separate issue and I bet most won’t.
What original storyline are you talking about? They did not take Horde characters and just put Alliance characters on top of that. What are you on? Like really, what drugs are you taking right now? lol
No you aren’t you are trying to talk some crazy nonsense.
My day job is as an author. I’ve written over twenty novels as well as lengthy non-fiction books. I’m merely stating writing mechanics.
You aren’t seeing the original storyline but it has to be built on a foundation. That foundation is clearly the Horde, based on the storyline itself. Ian probably demands it so he can wrap his head around it, not being an Alliance player.
AFTER they finish the first draft where everything is “working”, they begin to ask where the Alliance comes in. What current (then, in the draft) Horde characters can be switched to an Alliance character instead.
You can tell this is true because whenever they force an Alliance character into what would traditionally be a Horde character, it causes friction because they have to manufacture a reason why you’re following someone on the blue team and this is where their internal logic FAILS and why you notice it. Why you feel that it’s weird or doesn’t work.
This is writing mechanics 101. If after the introduction of DF they tried to base a storyline on the Alliance and force the Horde into positions that were literally Alliance in the original draft, you would equally feel a forced awkwardness in the storyline.
That’s all I’m saying.
The horde is doing just fine. They do as their told and they serve as fodder for the alliance. And their hero is in love with our king! HAHAHAHA!
You got this backwards especially lately. If we were talking about way back when during RTS games maybe. But not now.
I can see some of this in maybe how they wrote Geya’rah in this last expac, but also they wrote Danath Trollbane the same way. But overall they’ve been just sticking a Horde character into what is generally Alliance dominated story. We got very little of our own NPCs this expac.
Right and we are talking about now. The very subject of this thread is about the story going into Midnight. Not old story.
What I want, is not Horde being forced to do Alliance story, or Alliance being forced to do Horde story. I want parallel questing and then the overarching story can be whatever disaster/cosmic threat they want to write.
I’m gonna make your King marry Wrathion.
Interesting.
You’re not wrong. Back when the Isle of Thunder was datamined, one of the Alliance Questgivers (Modera I believe) literally had Rommath’s dialogue for a quest, including bashing the Kirin Tor. It was a bit of a dead-giveaway at the time that the Horde content had been written first.
Putting the writing technique into perspective makes me wonder about the Broken Shore. I’d want to say that scenario was written as an Alliance story first, since it revolved around Varian’s self-sacrifice. The Horde had to pull out, despite the fact that didn’t make too much sense (“Honor or Death,” and all).
By the same token, though, while Vol’jin was present, Sylvanas was the key Horde player. It were as if Vol’jin was already dead. Yet the Horde’s presence feels so reactionary and forced in that scenario that I can’t help but feel that, even if it did push Sylvanas’ new role as Warchief a tad early, it was still a narrative written for the Alliance first.
You’re seeing the strings left over from several rewrites.
Good eye.
Yup. We are one faction now. The war is over
As an Alliance player… I’m so tired of Alleria… and I feel nothing about Arator…
It’s just another elf…
But the Horde doesn’t have any good characters left to take the role of main character either…
Most of Horde characters are boring…
…
Sylvanas… oh my god…
There’s no having a conversation with people like this.
This is ridiculous, there are many examples - including in MoP - of Horde NPC’s giving Alliance dialogue. Like the flightmaster who offered Horde players a flight back to Seven Stars (the Horde base was Two Moons).
Arator is okay. He’s half-Thalassian and a paladin. However, I’m not sure why they thought he’d look cool with a mohawk and scalp tattoos.
Wait, what?
Goes to look.
Oh my god.
Somebody at Blizzard was binging the Mad Max movies.
I think he looks cool, and gives him a unique look. Too many characters look normal.
Hmm, I can see how blizz might have trouble writing stories when they also have to force the other faction into it somehow. Even if this is an expac that will be in horde zones, you still have to shove a lot of alliance stuff in it. And we might miss horde characters that could have gotten time put into them and their stories.
You are joking right? 
WTF is wrong with Blizzard? Its like after Legion they just got rid of anyone that had even a shred of care about the IP and/or talent.
Elves live long enough that they try every hairstyle at one point or another, and it’s part of etiquette to not bring it up if they have a bad haircut.
The goblins of Undermine have nothing to do with the Horde. And yeah, we had ONE Horde character enter the story, if I’m not mistaking, the first actual Horde character to have a presence in the TWW story. And what did we do? We killed a former Horde leader that got away in BFA, because you know, it’s a Horde leader and killing those has become a tradition at this point. So it’s really funny to hear you claim that was a Horde thing and how the Horde should just accept that’s what they get.
But if you want to start measuring our things, let’s think about it. What came before and after? We ran around chasing Anduin and Alleria to find themselves or whatever. And that was after we spent half of an expansion building another vanity tree for the Nelfs who wiped their rears with it cause nothing is good enough for Nelf players in WoW. While the Forsaken got … what a quest to mop some slime. And you have the nads to claim that the Alliance simply existing in the story bothers them when they quite literally have been written out of the majority of the story.
Again, I have to point out that during the Midnight presentation, we have seen the major characters in the Expansion and ONE of them was Horde.
So I’m gonna kindly suggest that you either stop being such an alliance-boi or learn to shut up once in a while.
No I don’t think I will. I’m not going to stop talking about a topic just because Horde posters are delusional. 
As shown above, the delusion is on your part.