Too much alliance focus going into midnights?

Because the story focus they do give us is just leader goes insane, faction schism and then we go after that leader.

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How is Valeera Sanguinar an Alliance character? She’s a blood elf who was friends with Varian Wrynn.

Race doesn’t mean anything towards faction. Goblins overall are neutral, most aren’t in the Horde despite being playable on the Horde. Because the playable ones are just select Goblins originally from Kezan. There are Elves and Humans as well who are just neutral.

Valeera is considered neutral because she serves the Wrynn family only and if they die out so does her service to them. But people consider her still an Alliance character because she serves the current High King of the Alliance.

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When you have a 2 faction game and one of those factions has been so spoiled that they see anything less than the complete destruction and removal of the other faction as bias for that faction that should really be a wake up call.

Blizz has failed so miserably over the years at creating a balanced and equitable experience for their players that trying to appease the favored side has now grown to the point that it would completely destroy your game to do so. Its one of those simultaneously hilarious and pathetic situations. :rofl:

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I wrote the same thing further up, listing all the zones, cities and races that the Horde got from the Alliance… and it got flagged so many times that it was removed. What does that say about Horde players? The truth seems to hurt. :joy:

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make horde great again!
:cherries:

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Unfortunately, things are getting difficult when Blizzard keeps laying off employees, especially the good ones who are also interested in the Horde.
For example, the “Orc Heritage Armor” quest line.

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I haven’t played since the start of Dragonflight but the storyline from Cata on was clearly written based on the horde, with the Alliance being tacked on afterwards to give the NPC faction something to do.

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There are no Alliance devs at Blizzard. There are plenty of pro-Horde devs but I can’t think of a single pro-Alliance (that is, they cheer for the Alliance over Horde). Don’t think that the token Paladin dev is Alliance, because when the Warcraft movie came out, he was embarrassed that it focused on the Alliance, saying “My heart has always been with the Horde”.
Whenever a new dev gets hired, they post three things on X:

  1. Super excited to be a part of the new team!
  2. Be prepared for great changes!
  3. FOR THE HORDE!

You can’t find a SINGLE dev who did the opposite. Not one.

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We’re going to be spending the entire time in Silvermoon. We will be questing in Quel’thalas and the Ghostlands which will be all Blood elves all the time.

We will be spending time in Zul’aman and the Blood elves will put aside their differences and form an uneasy alliance with the Amani and this will unlock Amani customizations for Troll characters.

This expansion is going to be 90% blood elves and Horde. It is never good enough.

Valeera is not Alliance. She is friends with Varian and Anduin because she was forced into a gladiator pit as a slave by Horde slavers (Horde had legal slavery even under Thrall) but claims no allegiance to the Alliance. She has no allegiance to the Horde either. She is neutral.

This, above all, is why factions need to die. No character is allowed to be a character. Characters are reduced to their interactions and put on tally on whether or not they’re horde or alliance instead of if the writing was good. “:nerd_face: Ermmm, you interacted with a blue character .747399372089432 times more than a red character that means blue bias!!! blue bias!!!”

oh my god who the hell cares.

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There is actually a common sense reason for this. Both factions are being attacked, the only force without a city to attack is the Lightforged as they live on a space ship. Not to mention when the Light decided to send help, sending a force of Light worshipping zealots is a great option!

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Actually I think that would have worked better as the Alliance hub for Midnight- The Vindicaar. Unless the writers would feel it required to crash.

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To be fair, the Void Elves also live off planet, in the Telogrus Rift. The Alliance is a bit fortunate in having two races/factions within its roster that don’t need to worry about their territory being attacked every time the entirety of Azeroth is under threat.

I still am of the mind its not too late to use it…

Cata and Pandaria you could argue that, but also Alliance still had their own quest lines.

WoD was an alt earth so not our Horde, still had Draenei and Alliance had their own quests.

Legion was a mix to begin with but ended up mostly focused on Alliance (Night Elf and Draenei stuff). We did quests in Argus with Alleria, Turalyon and Velen.

BFA had Horde focus to basically ruin the faction and make them unusable. Alliance had their own storyline in this and Jaina got a lot of focus.

SL I did quests with Jaina to save Anduin. Took quests from Bolvar and Thrall and Baine literally sat in the corner. Then we did quests to save the Night Elf souls and put them in the seed. And no, Sylvanas wasn’t Horde content because she left the Horde after murdering Saurfang.

DF was neutral up until Emerald dream and then all Night Elves.

TWW has had very little Horde story at all. And is starting to make it feel like we need parallel questing again. And no the Goblins don’t count for the thousandth time because the very quests if you read them tell us that even the Bilgewater there in Undermine are neutral.

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I’m not saying there was nothing for the Alliance to do. I am saying that the storyline was built on the HORDE and that they probably took some elements that were originally Horde and farmed them to Alliance in order to give the Alliance something to do.
I’m an author. That’s my day job. You build a story line based on one of the factions or the other. I’m saying that from Cata up until DF, the writers began with a Horde foundation (to make Ian happy, no doubt) and then either converted Horde elements into Alliance ones or tacked on Alliance elements/quests onto the Horde structure.
I do know that the Horde now have access to Dwarves while, again, the Alliance gained nothing.

The only parts that were built on the Horde were when they had the Horde do something stupid to have the Alliance react to it so that the Alliance could be the heroes.

This despite having changed the Horde from the old Horde of the RTS games to Thrall’s Horde.

So they’ve lost focus of what they changed the Horde to, then regress back to the Old Horde. And then repeat this again later on.

This doesn’t matter.

No you go back to parallel questing. I don’t want to do quests anymore with your NPCs. And I want them to build on the Horde characters they put in spots after killing off most of our leaders for our questing. They made a lot of changes that ruins faction fantasy for us, and for what? To do nothing with the changes that they made.

You got Blood Elves, and will be getting bat Trolls. Races now are just neutral. I didn’t want the Dwarves. You can have them. I wanted Ogres.

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The only parts that were built on the Horde were when they had the Horde do something stupid to have the Alliance react to it so that the Alliance could be the heroes.

This despite having changed the Horde from the old Horde of the RTS games to Thrall’s Horde.[/quote]

I’m not claiming the writing is GOOD or if anyone likes it or not. I am saying that they base the foundation of each expansion on a HORDE storyline and then either take a couple of Horde characters and switch them to Alliance or try to force Alliance into the Horde storyline. This isn’t about “quality”, it’s about writing mechanics.

THAT is why you are noticing that it’s odd to be working with Alliance characters. In the original foundational storyline, they were Horde characters but they were changed to Alliance (forced awkwardly into the storyline at that) to allow the Alliance to exist as anything other than the NPC faction they have become.

Does that make sense?

They haven’t done this as I laid out in my first reply to you.

A lot more of the overall focus was on big threats. I just want parallel questing back and I want them to develop the Horde and not just leave it in this fuge post-BFA state where they made all these changes and do nothing else with it.

And they suck because one half of the playerbase has to play through your boring bs.

Jaina, Anduin, Moira, Dagran, Tyrande, Velen, Alleria, Turalyon… none of these characters were ever Horde. They were not changed to the Alliance.

No it does not.

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