This is really the problem. There’s so much crap out there. Anti-vax propaganda doesn’t need to convince you, it just needs to confuse you. And it’s become political. The crazy alt-right has latched into this and twisted it into something that it’s not. It should not be political. Science doesn’t lie. Which is why every single politician has had it.
The truth is that the vaccine is safe and effective. It’s been tested. It wasn’t “rushed”. Not one person in this thread or on Faux News or on YouTube or in your local club circle has anything negative to say about it that doesn’t start with “I heard” or “apparently”.
Honestly, spreading misinformation about the vaccine, how it was developed, the efficacy of it, or inventing any dangers with taking it should be considered a real life threat. It’s akin to yelling “fire” in a crowded venue.
So what do you call it when science gets it wrong, or do you consider that never happens? When new research overturns previously held beliefs, does that make them lies? When studies conducted by scientists are shown to have been influenced by the company that paid for the study, what is that exactly?
Scientists have been guilty of toeing the corporate line for many years. Cigarette companies used them to cast doubt upon the harm smoking caused and gained decades of further profits as a result, at the cost of countless lives. The chemical defoliant dioxin, known as agent orange, was considered at least not as harmful as it turned out to be, along with countless other herbicides and pesticides that are now banned. The fight over glyphosate still isn’t over, but Bayer set aside over $100 billion dollars to pay claims for the cancer it’s alleged to cause? Trust the science?
I’ll leave you with one final example. Back in the 80’s and 90’s the U.K. was afflicted with an outbreak of bovine spongiform encephalopathy and its human equivalent, Creutzfelt-Jakob disease. This is more commonly known as mad cows disease.
Originally, science said that the disease couldn’t jump the species from cows to humans. This was later proven to be wrong. Science also claimed the disease couldn’t transmit in utero, so calves were spared from the cull of affected animals. This proved to be wrong also, and eventually all animals had to be slaughtered.
By the time this occurred however, many people were infected that otherwise wouldn’t have been, and faced a much shorter life and a horrible decline and death. Were any of the scientists that promoted these fallacies held responsible for their mistakes and misinformation? There’s virtually no comeback or ramifications for being wrong, so trusting everything that has science attached to it is done at your own risk.
Yeah, scientists get it wrong occasionally. Science doesn’t know everything, or it’d stop.
Again, no.
Your anecdotes have nothing to do with the issue at hand today, also they are poorly sourced. And also not factual. You’re talking about the difference between having data and not, and presenting it as being the same thing. The difference is that in this case we do have the data. It’s also not 1986 anymore.
People who are vaccinated are still getting sick from covid.
People who are vaccinated are still able to transmit the virus.
People who are vaccinated have a risk of side effects from an experimental mRNA “vaccine”.
People who are unvaccinated are still getting sick from covid.
People who are unvaccinated are able to transmit the virus.
People who are unvaccinated have no risk of side effects from an experimental mRNA “vaccine”.
If you don’t take the vaccine, you could lose your job, you can’t participate in society, and people treat you like a monster.
If you take the vaccine, you could end up with terrible side effects that directly hurt you and your way of life.
Denying that side effects exist and refusing to discuss or work to figure out why they are occurring will not help those who were fine before taking the vaccine and now cannot function normally.
The amount of insanity surrounding covid is unbelievable. People die every year from the flu. Are we going to bar people from society unless they have flu shots, too?
Thing is everyone I know that I am close to is taking it, so…that’s why I made this choice, as I haven’t seen them turn into mindless zombies or Cyberman from Dr Who like the conspiracy theorists say the vaccines will do.
I’m watching my 53-year brother coughing violently every time he takes 5 steps and he’s also a lifetime smoker. Since living to 100 is extremely rare, smoker or not, I’m going to say my story is a lot more common than yours. No offense.
I’ll take “risks” from the vaccine, which are all pretty much known at this point, over having tubes down my throat while laying in an ICU bed any day of the week.
Also, if you get sick while vaccinated, it’s like having a bad cold, not the risk of death.
If I drive to work, I risk getting killed by a drunk driver. Stop using side effects that have only hit a few thousand people out of over 350 million doses delivered as an excuse for being a pansy.
Just believe assumption that someone health is poor or will be poor because of that one thing alone is a poor choice. Diet, exercise, and simple genetics make up a large portion as well.
-please note, I am not saying to go out and smoke. That is a bad idea.-
Get well soon. Which vaccine did you receive if it’s not too personal (sorry if you answered this already and I missed it).
Boosters already announced for the immuno-compromised. Boosters for all (even for those who got the mRNA vaccines) will apparently be announced soon.
We in the U.S. would have known more if the CDC hadn’t stopped collecting data on breakthrough cases earlier this year. Those people have been remarkably consistent (as in bad) throughout this pandemic.
How do we know who gets side effects or not? Is there a “type” of person that is more at risk then others? Ignoring this and refusing to figure it out and parroting “the vaccine is perfectly safe” is terrible.
What does the vaccine do? Why does it cause the side effects? If it doesn’t prevent the spread of covid, then what good is it?
Really? We’re talking about science being reliable and I highlighted a number of instances where it turned out to be wrong. All the “anecdotes” are inconvieniently factual, yet you use every effort to dismiss to justify your belief that while “yeah, scientists get it wrong occasionally, science doesn’t know everything…” you remain convinced that this time they’re right. Your contention that science in the past wasn’t based on data is ridiculous.
Did you get double vaccinated, or just the 1 dose?
2 doses of any mRNA vaccine is 90%+ effective against Delta, vs 1 dose its only about 30% effective.
If you did in fact get both doses of the mRNA vaccine and got hospitalized still, then you are literally a very very rare case of a “breakthrough infection”.
Assuming you’re not in the hospital and you’ve gotten double vaccinated, I really wouldn’t worry about it.
