Making their abilities stronger for staying with them doesn’t fix the issue though, It just encourages people even more to research what their best Covenant for all situations will be or whatever is closest to the best. (There are Covenant/Class combos like this already). Imagine how garbage it would feel to pick a terrible Covenant and be denied groups all the time and then when you finally pick your covenant that’s actually good for your class not only are you behind on renown but your loyalty is low so you’ll do even less damage.
Fair. I was just thinking something like you get access to the paragon system or something by remaining loyal.
Special mount only the most loyal get, extra chances at loot, special cosmetics.
Possibly adding more power to your ability, but I agree that kinda would still cause issues but definitely would be a decision between, more power vs another ability. Your choice
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The pultheripcord people want one of the following things:
A build your own covenant, where you take the parts you like from each of them, making the choice completely simple and boring after that. Covenants would then become just an aldor or scrier faction and a talent row.
The other idea is to remove player power completely, which would remove all the interesting mechanics, soulbinds, and everything else, making everything more boring.
Either way the expansion as a whole would be worse and the reason behind making it worse is non existente. All arguments made pro #pulltheripcord could be used for classes, and when I point that out it is just a shower of special pleading.
The idea that it’s for RP or whatever is a deliberate misstatement of the design. It’s not about RP. Also, “meaningful choice” has been repeated so much as to have lost all meaning.
The goal is to differentiate players of the same class from each other by having a semi-permanent distinction. Go back to the interview where Hozzikostas mentions the “spectrum” of character choices. On one end, you have “class”; which is actually permanent, then a tick over is race, permanent except by paid service, next tick is covenant, permanent except by a few minutes long quest. To the extreme other end of the spectrum, you’ve got consumables, talents, essences, gear, etc., all things you can change at a whim and on the fly.
Having that spectrum is important to differentiate players of the same class from one another. Now, you can argue that you don’t want that differentiation, and that the current stack of class/spec/talents/gear is sufficient, but no one is making that argument, instead of shouting slogans and parroting word for word arguments from YouTube content creators.
A change like this is ambitious, changing the “stack” to class/covenant/spec/talents/gear. If they do #pulltheripcord, they might as well go all the way and allow classes to be changed, too, because (as a community) WoW players will have decided that differentiation is unimportant.
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The sad part is, the expansion has some really amazing stuff. A lot I’m looking forward to but to say removing covenants abilities would make it worse i don’t agree. And yea I’m for #pulltherupcord but there is plenty that blizzard can do to make a choice meaningful without adding power and making a player feel like they have to pick something. A meaningful choice is meant to be hard. End of the day a lot of the community is just going to follow a guide for their decision.
If the only thing that matters to them is “What covenant does more dps according to internet guides” than it would be indeed a boring choice, just like every other choice they make.
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Why are people asking to pull the ripcord when we haven’t even jumped out of the plane yet?
Personally I don’t see an issue with different classes. You need differences in a game but you also need balance. Blizzard has many issues with their classes right now that people just want fixed. 1 ability is not a class. But it’s a massive CD that just adds on to already issues people experience with their class.
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Because people are testing and not liking the system. People are trying to get it changed now instead of having blizzard repeat history and call it “new content” in patch 9.1 or 9.2
They sadly did it with Azerite, legion weapons and legendaries. After 4 years, people are tired of content patches being blizzard fixing their systems.
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It can’t be used for classes though. Each class brings 3 different play styles along with it. A Frost DK plays nothing like a Unholy DK or a Blood DK. The Covenants don’t change that at all. They add 1 new button you press on CD. People need to stop equating Covenant choice with the same importance and relevance to actual game play that a class choice has. The Covenant choice is a strictly numbered choice. Which CD is the biggest damage, which soul bind tree gives the best passive. That’s literally it.
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Druids have 4 specs and 3 soulbinds. That’s the true meaningful choice on which spec They can’t play.
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Another good point. They didn’t even think of druids when making this god awful system. lol
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Being “stuck” is a choice. The way I see it I’m gonna choose my class, spec, covenant, and what ever else that suits me. I never have and never will cater to the ones who say you have to be this way. At one time BM was the worst spec I still played it cause I like it. The best thing is everyone is able to make a choice. Should I decide to change the covenant later then I pay the price but I still have a choice
No, because youtubers are testing, and making a huge effort to find stuff to nag about, since nagging = views, spreading the nagging to the fans.
It is the same thing as azerite, people obsessing over irrelevant details and making incoherent arguments to justify their nagging. Azerite started as “this system is boring and uninteresting” which it was, and then became “omg this system is destroying the expansion” which it was not, it was just some boring passives on the gear that you didn’t have to relearn at all since the passives were on the outer rings which were already unlocked when you got the gear.
The overanalizis killed their enjoyment for the expansion over a set o boring passives that weren’t even noticeable without simming.
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Imagine defending azerite gear.
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Weird. That time I played on the beta must have been a dream.
But it felt so vivid.
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Imagine complaining and raging over an entire expansion over a set of boring passives.
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How about having a 2 week CD on changing covenants instead?
You are cherry picking here. These are only two of the multitude of suggestions made, you only chose these because they paint the people that want the change in a negative way. Also people need to stop with this class change thing. Nobody that is actually trying to give any type of constructive criticism of the system is trying to make the class system change.
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It is kind of annoying have 3 of my bags full of gear so that I can play each of my specs at their full potential. Also boring? maybe, but they’re super impactful and if you don’t have the right ones you’re screwed. I do more Shadowbolt damage than a warlock could ever dream of because Magus is that powerful. Completely useless on blood though. Awful system it really is just awful.
I had farm 3 extra pieces of gear for frost and I’m still missing two pieces to have an optimal build, I just said screw it. I don’t even like frost much anyway.