To the Horde stuck in queue

brother, i hear you.

pick a class or race or faction that is good at pvp. i get it. they can have their cake and now they want to eat it too. this happened already through vanilla and tbc. and its the same in classic and now classic tbc.

blizzard fixed this in the wrath of the lich king expansion. humans got a much better racial. i honestly would not personally complain if they adjusted tbc classic racials to reflect better balance in pvp. many of the nochanges crowd would complain, and with good reason. thats not tbc at all. itā€™s a massive fundamental change.

i still think queue times would be very long for horde.

horde turtle AV and make 10-15 min games take 30-40 min.

horde players - you want to know why you are in queue for an hour? the people ahead of you in line are staying on the ride for 3 times as long as they should. this makes alliance a lot less likely to queue up for AV or BGs in general.

THIS. Stop turtling and your queues will get faster. Horde created problem with a horde solution available.

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Horde are not going to take enough faction transfers to balance out PvP servers.

If Blizzard offered faction changes, but only to horde dominated PvP servers in the name of balancing them out - people would complain about it and the few dumb enough to do it would have buyers remorse in a day or two.

No one tell them weā€™ve got many of the same pug problems, especially with all the FotM rerollers that would normally have been Alliance :rofl:

Players want to min max their honor regardless of faction.

Alliance should just start playing AV to DR the HKs in order to end instead of piling into choke points to get AoEā€™d down thinking they can kill Drek.

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I felt sorry for horde and their really long queues until I started doing some BGā€™s and realized how rude and annoying they are. They canā€™t just win the game no they have to milk every second and camp the GY and most of them constantly emote and spit on people at this point Iā€™m glad they have long queues and I hope they never fix it.

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Something you can see the Alliance do plenty of if you happen to play Horde!

Although, my personal favourite examples are of seeing posts & experiencing Alliance camping + holding games hostage in ways the Horde never even considered. Premades in WSG holding the flag and camping the GY so that they can practice all the jumps for a few hours, AV premades storming the Horde cave and camping insideā€¦ good timesā€¦

I think there is room for opinion on whether its a serious hinderance, or not. It depends how you value bg rewards.

Several players skip bgs and still have a fun and easy game experience. Once ZA reduces keys to honored, youll see very few complaints.

Canā€™t wait to snowball Ivus as far south as possible. Doubt we will make it to horde cave though.

Aw man, if I even see either of those beautiful giants again, itā€™d have to be a great game.

The only downside to resources imo is not seeing these actual kickass mechanics like the elementals + riders anymore, because the games just arenā€™t long enough.

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Horde can do the same thing.

Wargames my guy. Doesnā€™t always have to be about rewards.

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I was under the understanding Wargames were in Retail only.

They have been in the game since Classic around ZG launch iirc try Googling it.

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Huh! Today I learned! Thank you for this info :slight_smile:

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It can be hard to not judge a group for the actions of their worst.

It turns out they do it to themselves. Since they turtle all game and defend every objective religiously they prolong games which means the alliance can only re-queue when the horde end the game. If the horde would embrace the rush to the end the alliance could q twice as fast cutting q times in half.

Stuff like typical AV strategy tends to form organically. I donā€™t think itā€™s as easy as explaining it to them.

It really is though. Unless you think every horde is stupid.

There are a lot of people that play AV. Many wonā€™t listen. Many will never hear you. Many will never care. Maybe the meta will shift back to rushing the general, but I donā€™t think it will happen through a forum debate is what I mean.