The mount is a seasonal reward.
I disagree.
Normal is just as accessible.
No such thing as gatekeeping in this game.
You don’t know that it was a mistake. Has Blizzard stated that it was? Again, you’re basing your argument on guessing games and not actual fact.
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I’m making an assumption based on the fact that it was changed.
I’m sorry you’re struggling to understand this.
And that’s why you don’t actually have a valid argument. Because you’re basing it on an assumption vs. actual fact. You’re the one that’s struggling here since you clearly don’t understand how to create a good argument.
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this is up to personal opinion for sure but to many it is still raiding in the basic sense.
Not out of the ordinary for rewards to change in how they are given and to whom, uncommon but not unheard of. I understand to some its a bigger deal than it is for me personally.
To some, not all. this is based on individual players and their own time spent. Some may be only able to do one wing in a day, etc. not making excuses but broader thinking is usefull when considering the player base and what each player may or not be able to do in their own time.
this is incorrect entirely. There is so much gear based gatekeeping that has existed forever. your opinion of “LFR isn’t raiding” is a style of gatekeeping thought, simple things like required item level are also forms of gatekeeping. the groups requiring tier for content was also gatekeeping when tier was first reintroduced. Just because it hasn’t happened to you doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
I’m sorry that you take things literally everytime and pick up stuff that is irrelevant.
And I said the same thing maaan. If its a mistake, make up for it. To which you said that making up for a mistake is just removing it. And I said that that isn’t it, it would be giving them what was originally said. Then you started bickering about me using the word ‘promise’ to help you understand the concept of what how you treat someone whether its on a personal level or corporate customer-service level. Just like how you want to be treated.
If its a mistake, fine? Give it to them, make up for it. Its a freaking pixel, nothing out of their pockets or yours. And this is why I said that you’re bitter. You’re basically saying, “Yeah so what? Bliz made a mistake and now they don’t have to give them anything even if they disappointed a lot of players.” Keep in mind, you aren’t Bliz’s lawyer or anything, you’re basically a player who is saying this. Which is why I said that you’re a bitter person. Why else would you be so upset about people being happy and getting a mount.
If you have more than 5 people in a raid, its a raid. The game literally asks you if you want to convert the party into a raid. Just because you feel that way about it doesn’t mean that it isn’t. Like seriously, that’s just being an elitist. Are you telling me that its not a raid because the mechanics are too easy? What?
It is a raid because it has a bunch of people in it. Your definition from that condescending point of view frankly reeks of the word, “E L I T I S T.” And you can be elitist all you want, doesn’t change the fact that they are in a raid group to down the boss. You’re basically arguing facts with opinions. LOL
Supposing we argued that temporary or permanent is referring to a metric of time PLAYED. And it makes no sense. Because a) NO one plays this game PERMANANTLY. Literally, anyone and everyone has taken a break at some point in time. And if you’re defining those who played this game permanently as hardcore then there aren’t a LOT of those. I doubt there’s even more than a 10 if any at all. B) By that definition everyone is a casual then because everyone has taken a break at some point in time. Be it whether they need to get off to eat, sleep, drink, poop or work. Whatever.
SUPPOSING I GAVE IT TO YOU. OK? Yeah and ? DOES METRIC OF TIME PLAYED HOLD relevance to this thread?
Read this part again since you missed it.
No, I am not. You have it written there in black and white. You think that they’re getting BIS gear and are all riled up. They aren’t. Its a cosmetic item, a mount.
Like literally, you wrote that it ruins the game if they get the BIS gear. And now you’re saying that you never said it LMAOOO
Says not upset but won’t give the reasons on why are you arguing about them getting a cosmetic item then?
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Argued with everyone, valid reason please. I’m waiting. Not that its going to ruin the game if they get a cosmetic item. Or its never been in the history or w/e. Valid reason on why you don’t want them to get a cosmetic item.
You have none. You said that it was an opinion here.
And I said that if its an opinion, that’s fine. But it speaks volumes about you nevertheless. Because its not about not caring if they get it. Its gate keeping to prevent them from get it. That’s what your thread has been about so far.
It’s actually a very valid argument. While there isn’t a way to confirm it there is a good possibility that it wasn’t event intended for LFR because of the single fact that they did change it.
You don’t have a fact that disproves it. Both of us are making an assumption.
I’m not struggling at all. If it wasn’t a good argument then why can’t you answer the question of why they changed it? If it was intended for LFR why remove it?
someone made a typo on the achievement and bing bang boom
And to actual raiders it’s not.
End of the day LFR has never awarded a seasonal reward.
Not to be rude but that’s honestly a personal problem.
It’s not incorrect at all. Give me an example of gatekeeping in this game.
That’s literally what I have been saying this entire thread.
That it wasn’t intended for LFR and that it was removed once they realized it.
They then say that’s not a valid argument lol.
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Tier being required by most groups, and:
“actual raiders” is a term that “others” people. Its a form of gatekeeping who is and who isn’t a “real raider”. gearscore and raiderIO are also used for gatekeeping who someone wants in their group or doesn’t. It’s not a bad thing that you don’t view or aren’t being gatekept but it does exist in this game, much as it does almost universally.
not rude and also true, no disagreement there. However that i could argue is the purpose of the LFR raid difficulty. for those who don’t have the time to commit to higher levels of raiding. Mythic is a decent replacement for raiding if time is an issue imo.
I don’t disagree with that stance and it makes sense. I can understand some of the people who assumed it would be for LFR as well being upset about it but honestly that’s a big assumption on their end, some hopefulness but still. I get being upset about it but its a mount and i dont really care about mounts so i have no horse to race here.
I mean when you say you didn’t say it and you clearly did. You’re the one backpedaling.
I never said that. I said the PTR is subject to change and they aren’t under any obligation to give it to LFR because there was a mistake on the achievement.
LFR has zero chance of failing. It’s called determination stacks. real raiding doesn’t actually have that or a Que.
LFR is an ultra training wheel form to try and entice people to try raiding or for solo players to experience the story.
Things that have an almost zero percent fail rate should not receive the same rewards from content that doesn’t award anything for failing.
Honest question, are you able to read or are you unable to understand what “taking a statement out of context means”?
Nothing is preventing them from getting it but themselves. There’s no gatekeeping in this game.
Awwww did snooze wake up on the wrong side of bed again without their fluffy bunny poor snooze so hard to sleep without that bunny isn’t it.
Maybe that can be a reward from LFR called Snooze’s bunny and best part is it squeaks so when a LFR player gets it they always think of you and how you fought so hard and valiantly for them to get their rewards.
The point is that no one knows the reason. Which is why you shouldn’t be using assumptions on why Blizz removed the mount from LFR in an attempt to back up your argument. Because they are assumptions and not fact. And assumptions create weak arguments.
If you want to create a good argument, then make valid points that don’t depend on assumptions.
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Tier is extremely easy to get. It’s not like previously when you had to raid to get it. The catalyst literally gifts everyone tier.
False. Gatekeeping would be going to every group mean and telling them “don’t invite Deunan for xyz reason”
It’s not gatekeeping to have expectations for the content depending on the content. +2 through +5 I’m not going to require tier gear. For a 15 and higher I’m going to definitely require it.
I mean normal and LFR have close to the same time commitment. LFR is just almost impossible to fail because of how trivial the bosses are.
But we all know what assume really means right that could be why snooze assumes everything just wants to make themselves more of an…
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I mean you should do that too. Neither of you have anything but assumptions. Without an answer from blizz (kaivax did answer iirc) you both have nothing besides assumptions.
It makes more sense to be a typo they didn’t catch than some direct attack on LFR raiders.
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Exactly. It’s just the normal “end of the world” gd players making a mountain over a mole hill.
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It’s called an educated guess. It’s also way more plausible that they made a mistake or typo and fixed it than to believe it’s a war on solo players in LFR.
Your argument is weak no matter how you think otherwise.