You disappoint your daddy Illidan “I am my scars” Stormrage
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If he’s their dad then they must be rebellious teenagers and therefore it makes perfect sense.
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That moment is, oddly enough, when my Demon Hunter parted ways with Illidan’s teaching, when for all his talk of sacrifice - his extremely pointed, self-guided, what he was already willing to trade off or wasn’t his to give “sacrifice” - he was finally called to task and had a freakout moment about it instead.
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A freakout that involved murdering the one being in the room that was like, basically an anti-Legion gun in their own right.
People can talk about imprisoning Alleria being bad, which is like, whatever, but I can’t bring myself to condemn Xe’ra for assuming that Illidan’s rhetoric about sacrifice wouldn’t manifest in literally the most childish and self-centered way possible.
“Oh no, sorry, I meant I’m willing to sacrifice other people’s stuff. The entire universe can go screw as far as I’m concerned if it means having to give up my edgy superpowers.”
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imagine killing the only member of your fan club
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Well, I’m a pretty big fan of Illidan. He’s got those rugged good looks, a snarky sense of humor, he’s a very driven individual, and he’s single. Who cares if he’s still possibly thirsty for Tyrande? She’ll be dead in, what, another patch? So I think I’ve got a chance maybe.
Anyway, what were we talking about?
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I think Illidan talking a big game (or in fact saying anything) about ‘sacrifice’, while in fact sacrificing other people’s lives, souls, and futures, is beyond self-centered and honestly kind of just literally evil.
I also think that it’s wrong to do invasive things to people without their consent because some things they’ve said in the past gave you the impression that they’d be cool with it.
Illidan and Xe’ra can both be wrong at the same time, and they are.
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Interesting… While I myself am going Ardenweald, some of you are really calling what he did selfish?
Interesting…
There may be some nuance here with agency that’s being missed here.
In the end you can be blinded by darkness AND light, and being forced to follow against your will from either is no better than the other. (No pun intended)
Maybe his choice will be made more clear later this expansion as we delve into the nature of the great ‘cosmic’ conflict between the light, the void, and the inter-demensional game of thrones apparently being played.
Hope you all are enjoying the expansion.
“Sometimes… the Hand of Fate… must be forc-WHOA WHOA WHOA! Not my hand of fate!”
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I think it was more about choosing what you sacrifice, rather than what others can take away from you by force. If Xe’ra had said Illidank had to sacrifice his freedom to have the chance to actually, permanently, put Sargeras in the ground, he might have complied, but Illidan was always about two things.
Sacrifice, and the freedom of choice to make that sacrifice.
Also not letting a grand cosmic power entity wear you like a hat, but that’s just my take.
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Kyrians are the Demon Hunter gap year. Everyone else gets work experience, but Demon Hunters just backpack around Bastion for awhile.
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There’s an awful lot, an awful lot, of dead people and ruined lives that suggest he is not, in fact, about this part at all. It’s about sacrifice and HIS freedom of choice to make the sacrifice of others. The Demon Hunters weren’t his favored children and allies to be treasured and adored either, they were just more weapons suckered in by an illusion.
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Didn’t his forces in outland keep broken draenei slaves?
And I might be wrong about this one but I seem to remember some of his hellfire orcs being forced to drink the demon blood to become his crazed army.
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just pointing out Xera been fighting the Legion for over…possibly before they got the Eredar involved.
Illidan woke up after a nap and helped us take them out in a patch
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Hmm, so if I’m understanding you correctly you’re saying that Illidan’s method of dealing with the legion was superior to Xe’ra’s, and so his decision not to sacrifice his scaaaars was a strategic one:
Rejecting that path not because of his personal desires but because he sincerely believed edgy powers would work better than holy powers?
yes?
He probably wouldve taken the holy power if Xera wasnt so…nonconsensual about it
Thats what Opherial and I have been discussing, actually! Illidan has demanded nonconsensual sacrifices from many other people throughout the years. It could have been the weird characterization of Burning Crusade, but he does seem to do it again to the Moonguard in the flashback in Legion.
So it seemed a bit hypocritical that he wasn’t willing to sacrifice his scaaars when it was demanded of him by someone that the narrative painted as a powerful force against the legion.
I guess it makes sense from his perspective if he legitimately thought Xe’ra was just some chump and getting holy powers from her wouldn’t have helped against the legion though.
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He also, in all honesty, barely helped us at all. He (quite non-consentually for all denizens of Azeroth) pulled us closer to Argus, endangering millions if not billions in pursuit of his goal (note none of the Titans asked him to stick around and torment Sargeras or keep him “jailed”) he then:
- Still required the Vindicaar to cross over to Argus, which presumably it could have just… gone to Argus.
- Still required the Vindicaar to blow open a bunch of holes in Legion strongholds
- Didn’t really interact with any of the quests or kill anyone big, that was saved for the reveals of the Broken, Velen, Turalyon, and Alleria
- Bring us to any of the alternate worlds that we fought invasions on.
- IIRC didn’t help us at all except to brooooood and give us flavor text on one, maybe two bosses during all of Antorus, neither did any of his Demon Hunters who at this point basically acted as a means to give him a backup resurrection and then promptly either get killed by, or become, trash mobs to demonstrate DA WEGION’S INFINITE POWAAAH.
So I hesitate to say he helped us beat them in a patch.
We also don’t really know what Xe’ra was going to do with him. We have a lot of presumptions and assumptions of mind control and binding that have not yet been canonized, he may have just gotten his eyesight back and had his glaives do triple damage for all we know and also made Tyrande see she truly loved him alllll aloooong.
Like don’t get me wrong, I’m a Death Knight with a cute Paladin pfp I’m not really into the “Light makes Right” thing either but i feel like if it had been Illidan being preyed upon by an even edgier edgelord super Demon Hunter and he went through the upgrade no one would bat an eye about how eff’d up it was. But he wasn’t the great awe-inspiring hero the writers were trying to make it out to be.
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Yeah at the end of the day its kind of hard to say how much each NPC contributed to ending the legion because we players kinda did the lion’s share of the work, haha!
So really I’m more interested in trying to decipher Illidan’s motivation for rejecting the light powers, and how its similar to the philosophy of the “Forsworn” (or whatever those dark kyrian who want to keep their mortal scars are called.)
Hence this thread about kyrians and demon hunters!
when I say that, I mean Xera forcing his power into Illidans body while having him bound
Vindicaar wouldve taken a really long time to get to Argus without Illidans hole, otherwise the Legion could’ve invaded us way before then
yea
Didn’t he help with…Archi? Or was it KJ? Think Khad was there too
Didn’t those portals just kinda appear? And we hopped over for loot and achievements?
im almost pretty sure the dhs and lf were fighting together underneath the ship
pretty much every NPC who helps in anything, really.
Binding someone and pumping them full of your mojo is typically a bad thing. If you’re healing or buffing just say so. Most people don’t say no
anyone preying on anyone is just a bit evil.
DKs > DHs, but between Xera and Illidan, I’d follow Illidan to deal with the Legion