To: Demon Hunters who join the Kyrian

Oh, there is NOTHING altruistic about Illidan. He’s not going to rule over a universe if the Legion burns it all down first.

The guy is a selfish, self-absorbed prat who never got over that his Girl Next Door left him for the tree-hugging hippie twin who never had the Golden Eyes Of Destiny until after Illidan tried to 4D chess both the Legion and Queen Azshara.

But… those interactions with the Legion also taught Illidan a very, very important lesson. When something so much stronger than you turns around and offers power, with no strings attached but your service … there’s strings attached.

He’s a bastard, a hypocrite, a murderously unapologetic sociopath and is lugging around a self-inflicted martyrdom complex … but he’s not entirely stupid.

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We could all, at least, agree that this remains the best interpretation of Illidan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqRQIprdTq4

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In my defense. I’m probably going to put my DH in Revendreth since i already have slots for Bastion and Ardenweald present.

The original statement was poking at demon hunters if they go for Kyrian; assuming that there is a conflict in nature with the Lawful Good Undertones Basion champions, vs the Chaotic Neutral (with evil tendancies) that Illidan ran after.

Lets be clear, His story; like many other characters had multiple writers involved, including a whole novel detailing and ret-conning original ideas.

Sylvanas is a great example of that; the Sylvanas we knew at wrathgate and the one that back space-keyed Saurfang have totally diffrent writers behind the scene.

Same goes for the Illidan we killed in black temple, vs the Illidan we were dealing with post legion.

Blizzard has this theme about the means justifying the ends and that scene was blizzard posing a moral question to the players; through the characters.

This question being “There is fate, and its unavoidable; but how you address it is up to you”

We saw Arthas do the same thing, Sylvanas is doing the same; and now soon; we are gonna watch all through shadowlands and the next expansion Lothar and Alleria do exactly the same thing; only with the light as a pretense to it all.

Its just the direction the writing is going.

As far as the sacrifice lesson goes; this whole part right here, seems to be intrinsically connected to a greater argument/cultural issue with modern society, and the idea of social expectation underpinning it.

I will go ahead and don the villan mantle and accept all smoke and flagging, and BS that comes with stating an unpopular opinion; but I see nothing at all that contradicts his past sacrifices, what the demon hunters sacrificed to defeat the legion; and Illidan’s unwillingness to accept a forced assimulation as ‘inevitable’ even if he was given a vision of it in the past when he visited Argus.

Who is the say that still won’t happen eventually; He just made a concious decicion to do so on his own volition; not on the forced infrence of others.

beings and people can act as conduits of change and ‘fate’ but people and ‘things’ are NOT fate themsleves, and Xera may be of the light, but she is not some diety of ‘authority’

As far as this idea of Illidan ‘non-consensually forcing his way’ into the role of Sargaras’ Jailer; Remember how weakened the rest of the Titans already were leading up to this point, and the only ones left there were Khadgar, Tyrulean and the army of light.

Illidan was the only one primed with the skillset to truely address that, and the patheon accepted him being there. He was instrumental in providing the keystone via his demon hunters, and did the leg-work during the burning crusade to open the arcane gate-way to argus in the first place.

We knew this was going to be the inevitable result fulfilling blizzard’s tendancy to write in cycles; so he would watch Sargeras the same way Illidan was watched by Maeiv.

There was no idea of ‘non-consensual’ anything taking place, and was 100% classic blizzard writing being present here.

I hope this same energy is kept later on when we go back to stormwind and have to deal with Scarlet Crusade 2.0 Lothar edition; and everybody’s favorite NPC turned ethnic cleanser from an alternate time-line far far away.

For those demon hunters going Kyrian, Enjoy your Sigil; and know while you are being judged in that dungeon by members of the community for reason #99901 , you got an instant que; becuase you went Kyrian likely becuase you are Vengeance.

Osu!

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I’m not sure what you’re referring to here: we have been talking about illidan forcing people to make sacrifices non-consensually, but I’m not aware of anyone claiming he forced his way into staying behind to watch sargeras.

The titans seemed cool with him being there, and while Sargeras might have objected his opinion isn’t important, hehe

Anyway yes you are correct that the writing of his character has changed hands a lot. But I think we have no choice but to remember his actions in Burning Crusade because blizzard themselves don’t want us to forget: several quests in Legion reference his actions back then.

And its not like the Legion expansion never depicts him forcing other people to

against their will for the greater good (see: the Moon Guard mages he sacrificed so he could gain their power)

I was responding to an earlier statement, not one you made. (As far as the jailer of sargaras statement)

But to your point;

Yeah, I’m not a fan of the inconsistency either. For what it’s worth, the scene in and of itself I can rock with.

But the aggressive course correction to turn him from villan to flawed anti-hero could have been done better. (Or really just left alone)

I am reminded some years ago during cata or Pre WOD launch where chris metzen said during a blizzcon “everyone loves a good redemption story”

It leaves us the players sitting here kinda cherry picking what we want to see and keep it moving.

Here’s to the eventual fusion of warcraft and starcraft lore (because why not :confused: )

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I remain positively baffled that Illidan didn’t get beheaded the minute he tore open a portal to Argus after we’d literally just won, again. If not Khadgar then Maiev should have been on him like Parmesan on spaghetti.

That Illidan survived long enough to team kill the only member of his fan club (as was so eloquently put earlier) really pulled me out of the Legion story entirely.

But it was all worthwhile for his last self-pat goodbye message to his Brother and Tyrande to both be met with “Oh no! Anyway…”

Well, I’m a pretty big fan of Illidan. He’s got those rugged good looks, a snarky sense of humor, he’s a very driven individual, and he’s single . Who cares if he’s still possibly thirsty for Tyrande? She’ll be dead in, what, another patch? So I think I’ve got a chance maybe.
Anyway, what were we talking about?

His beautiful abs… wait, there’s another discussion going on?

I do like Illidan, I find him kind of cheesy and extra and over the top, but for me that’s part of his charm. He really does have delusions of grandeur, and can back up most of his boasts in a pinch. That’s a real easy character to feel passionate about: the smug butthead who is often right.

But 7.3 was all about fanning Illidan’s b*lls, which was pretty frustrating. The Legion, X’era and the AotL, Turalyon, even Velen, all had to lay down and take the pinfall to make Roman Illidan look strong.

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Do the locals complain about them leaving graffitti and litter everywhere? Possibly demonic hoofprints searing into the landscape?

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DH: I’ve sacrificed everything, what about you son?
Kyrian: There’s a chance that I used to be a cave-turtle or sentient jellyfish.

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They’re a menace. All they do is hang around Heroes’ Rest, smoking dope and telling everyone how much they sacrificed.

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Kyrian aspirants are turtles that didn’t make it to the water confirmed.

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Nature can be cruel.

You don’t have to forget if you never had a chance at life.