and thats cause they were offered store boosts. a tourist has 2 routes–the og rpg route, where you level and collect goodies along the way or you leap over 2 years of content, get bored sooner and leave
No. The vast majority of players at the start of TBC were already 60. Quit making up fake histories.
then why store boosts ?
Because they wanted to ensure that new players who joined could play with their friends who were already 60 (or 70 within the first week).
“Sorry you need to do two months of grinding as a brand new inexperienced noob, before you can have fun with us” is not a great sales pitch to new players.
Additionally, the boosts were most commonly used on second characters, which means players were extending their playtime with alts…
so if the problem wasnt store boosts, then what caused this:
People got bored. Because people get bored.
You seem to think that people are desperate to play the game. They’re not. They’re in it for the fun. When the fun runs out, they stop. Being forced to level again for older players, and alone for newer players, would suck the fun out of the game.
But after 6 months, the people there for nostalgia left. They were never going to stay boosts or no, and many of them probably would have never arrived without the boosts, because they were coming from Retail to check out TBC.
There’s plenty of content for the people who want TBC, but they’re the baseline of people who didn’t leave after 6 months. The boosts don’t hurt them, because they’re there for the fun and continue to have it. The boosts do help the tourists come in and enjoy the game for a while.
What doesn’t help, is people demanding that other people have fun “their way or the highway”.
So boosts are fine, because they’re increasing the playerbase, temporarily or not. No boosts will actively make things worse.
It’s either Win-Win with boosts, or Lose-Lose without them.
Quit trying to tell other people how they’re allowed to have fun. Very few people wanting TBC are there for the Vanilla grind. Those that want to, can do it. Those that don’t, boost.
Arbitrarily making the game more painful for a section of the player base is how you lose players immediately.
well i am forced to level again in classic era and sod. nobody seems to mind, even if the content is new like sod
p.s. i had hardcore players but died too soon, twice. that was it for my old bones
Last one for me, because this is distracting me from playing WoW.
That’s because Classic Era and SoD are the levelling experience. Vanilla is Vanilla. No-one is suggesting that TBC characters would start at 70. They level through TBC.
Vanilla is for people who want to level and play in Vanilla content. That’s the point for them. A TBC Classic would not be for playing Vanilla…
i get what you’re saying but if you went to the store back in the day and bought tbc, you presumably had vanilla pre-packaged with it or were forced to download it off the battlenet cause it was part of the game
I care to - partially - disagree. Half the fun, if not more, for me in TBC (both when it was actual and in Classic) was levelling Drenei characters.
#PermanentFreshTBCEraWhen!!
And Im not an alt account. You can even check my logs. Lot of people want tbc era server, not a reason to rage only because you dont like it or wotlk was a very bad expansion that made all player went back to era. Sorry and PPC.
Permanent OR fresh You cannot have both. I’d go for 2 permanent TBC servers and Era servers for Wrath, pretty please! I want to KEEP my Classic to Wrath progress dang blast it!!!
It’s unfortunate you took it personally but that’s wholly your own reaction. The post wasn’t about you… anybody could have posted it and I would have made the same response. I said above already but I’m responding to you in order to address your nonsense argument, not as a result of any past interactions we’ve had.
Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Blizzard has demonstrated that they respond to this kind of thing. My sarcastic post above was a very veiled reference to the very reason why we have WoW Classic in the first place. This is by no means an isolated incident either. The squeaky wheel gets the grease around these parts.
The bottom line is, if you want people to stop making those posts, support them instead of ridiculing them. Empathize with them because it must really suck to finally get what you wanted and then have it taken away. Recognize that a TBC and Wrath server has no impact on you whatsoever and then consider just being a decent human being about it.
It’s nice that you’re generous with your time now and again but the bottom line is that the culture of the game is that people would rather pay to skip it than actually play it. This doesn’t end once the leveling journey is over either. From what I can tell one of the main drivers of GDKP is so that people can skip farming their raid consumables and just buy them instead. This sets up a culture of payment normalization and, over the course of 5 years of Classic WoW, has shifted the focus away from playing the game and onto paying for the game. This, in turn, leads a lot of people down the path of buying currency.
I’m going to be clear here, boosts are not good, whether they are sold on the store or not; however, at least a boost on the store gives people a standardized way to purchase it. Boosts as they exist in the game do not. As a booster, you don’t care where the gold comes from as long as you get it. This does not mean that a store boost is good… it’s still terrible for the game, it’s just better than your approach which leads to RMT.
It’s not what they want (obviously).
That said, I do believe there are too many threads. So, my solution is to put the majority of these threads on mute, and just keep up a couple of them (if you desire to read a bit about the subject). Check it out, instead of telling folks where to play.
I’m confused why they didn’t just merge all the tbc classic servers into one mega server and just leave that for players that want to stay there.
I think the reason was partly the confusion caused by the cloning before/during the launch of TBC Classic and maybe even more the consolidation chaos.
But still they should have done this.
2 TBC Classic servers per region would have ensured Blizzard no end of goodwill.
I still hope they do so for Wrath.
The data which is that insane graph showing concurrent players/subs around TBC classic and wrath going down in the dirt shows different…
If people were extending their playtime and playing more, the boosts adding great accessibility for new players then this chart would show higher climbs. Not a downward spiral.
People boosted, spent a few days dungeon spam leveling in TBC and raided for a few weeks then quit.
Same with wrath on each phase release which shows in the graph. if you don’t know what im talking about with the graph, since I still cant post links rn go try to find it. Has the damn expansions labeled on it and everything, cant miss it.
The one where it says “Dragonflight was not what we expected” and it ended up being under wrath classic in player numbers.
The fact that people got bored with TBC after 6 months has nothing to do with Boosts though.
For the first few weeks, people who never would have played TBC, boosted. Because they didn’t have a toon at 60. Those people would never have even tried the game without it. Many stayed for a few months because they could play the content instead of having to grind up.
SoD and SoM and Hardcore numbers died off and recouped in similar fashions to TBC and Wrath, because the player enjoyment curve has nothing to do with boosting.
If thats the case then lets release boosts to 48 and the token in Classic ERA shop.
Put your mindset to the test.
Stop making silly hypotheticals. Vanilla era levelling is valid for Vanilla era modes.