Shadowlands is kicking them in the pants.
The overly aggressive way you’re treating everybody in here and way you started this thread makes me glad you’ve never tanked for me. If your like that in a dungeon I’d vote to remove you right away, I’d rather wait for another tank.
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Lol this essentially means you know you’re being a jerk and you cannot come back with anything else. Goodbye
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And this is why we shouldn’t let folk from Moon Guard out of their realm forums.
Thank you for your valued opinion.
I started playing this game as a tank in legion. I was running my little leveling dungeons as a prot warrior and nothing else.
I’ll tell you why I dont really play tank much anymore (other than to level fast).
As a dps I can always push myself. That dps meter will always be there and serves as a direct indicator (ofc there are other factors) of my skill. I can always strive to be better, keeping that number in my head. So regardless of the content I am doing, I can try my best and easily see the progress I make. There will always be that top log / parse or overall dungeon dps to chase. And I find it fun being able to always play to my best regardless of content and be rewarded for it.
As a healer you can kind do this with healing meters but it is severely restricted content and other players.
As a tank it is kinda you either survive this or you dont. You really cant strive for anything or see that number to chase. Sure there is tank dmg, but if that’s all you care about then might as well play dps. Sure there is hps for some classes but again severely limited by CONTENT and your healers. But the main point here is that it’s either you survive or you dont, you really cant see much progress (you can to a point but not really).
When I was tanking my low mythicplus in legion it was just oh I survived this or I didn’t (ofc I’m not ignoring mob management but even then that is true/false condition). I would just tank a heroic and that would be it, I would survive all the same. I had no way to tell myself how good I was until I did content that would kill me.
I’m not saying you cant tank at varying levels and cant improve but whenever you take on a boss or a pack, it’s just you either survive or you dont. The only way to tell if you are improving is to do harder content but then your survival depends highly on healers, dps, and general interrupts and cc.
I’ve rambled for a bit and may have flawed logic but in summary I couldnt really see progress in my skill when tanking in a fluid manner. It was rather jumps (ex: going from heroic to mythic) and it’s hard to tell whether where I stood relative to the other players. Nothing for me to chase. I can go I to a heroic clear and try my best to parse or do good dps, but as a tank it’s kinda oh I’m going to survive the boss this week like any other week.
And that for me gives me no motivation to play tank
Kinda do miss those. IT helps tell a story better than the travesty we have now for a narration.
Well, OP, your issue you bring up, and the threat you make only really applies to the beginning of an expansion… when players are at an all-time high for that expac and there’s plenty of every role doing normal and heroic dungeons.
If right now, during the middle of a content drought during one of the worst expacs ever, is an example as to how many tanks will still sign up for mythic+ and mythic 0’s, then the threat you’re making that people will be forced to wait excessive periods of time for dungeons sort of just falls flat on it’s back.
You can’t actually back up the threat you’re making, because you don’t control all tanks, and there are still plenty of people that will play tank and queue up for normals, heroics, and mythics.
If they were plenty, you wouldn’t have 30 minute queues.
We don’t, though. Even late at night my queues for heroics recently - during a content drought - were maybe ten minutes max.
-Shrug.- Lucky you!
I’m likely not the only one with those kinds of wait times. The LFG system gives a universal estimated wait time for everyone based on how many tanks, healers, and DPS are queuing, so likely every other person queuing up for heroics as a DPS has similar wait times. Your threat has no real weight, because you aren’t actually causing the problems you claim you can.
When you haven’t realized I do not tank on this character. And that we are different factions and you’re on the more populous faction. I get queues of those times on this character. Perhaps, even, we play at different times. Who knows?
So you’re only threatening Alliance side? Assuming you’re correct - which I’ll go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt for - on Alliance wait times, then your threat only has minimal weight because it only affects one faction, which, by your admission, is the smaller faction. Though I could counter and say Alliance is destined to have longer wait times because they are the smaller faction.
I play at all times of the day; I’ve queued up for heroics the past week or so on other characters at times ranging from early morning to mid-afternoon to late night. I’m not saying I’m always on at the same times as you, but the chances I haven’t been on at the same time as you at least once or twice while doing heroics is slim.
You just have to realize, making a threat on behalf of an entire role that encompasses probably tens of thousands of individuals (if not easily more) doesn’t really work. Are tanks probably not happy with how they’re treated most times? A good number of them, probably. But it doesn’t actually tend to stop them from queuing up for stuff anyways.
You do know this argument is just a deconstruction one without addressing any of the points directly, yes?
They may enjoy a queue if they mistreat a tank. It is as simple as that. Only time to queue as a tank is for the bags.
I’m addressing specifically the threat you’re making that people have to suffer longer wait times if they don’t treat the tank really well. I’m contesting how relevant your threat actually is based on precedent and current circumstances. I’m not trying to address your points, I’m trying to point out to you that your threat isn’t likely that significant in all actuality, even if you’d like it to be - or if it should be.