sorry but your just wrong
okay, but what makes a player âexcludedâ? is excluded status something players can change on their own?
i did MOP CM golds on two characters (spriest and brewmaster) but had no interest in m+ until midway through season 1 this expansion. nobody handed me credentials that got me a free invite to top groups. i rolled a new character of a spec i hadnât touched since mop and started from zero.
that character is just short of 2.4k this season. my mistweaver is almost at 2.2k. Iâve got three other characters with at least some timed 15s. i just boosted an alliance monk to 60 on Sunday and sheâs already 220 ilvl and healing 10-12s, and with a half decent group sheâd be fine in 15s. i donât farm Korthia for hours. iâve never bought a carry. only this priest has set foot in SoD and her shards arenât even maxed out.
iâm not an amazing player by any means. my logs are all public and anyone can see theyâre nothing special at all.
what did i do that âexcludedâ players are being prevented from doing?
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I donât see a problem with people âexcludingâ others. People are different and have different goals, personalities ect. You canât force people to be robots with painted on smiles. People like OP need to find others in the game they like and play with them. Guilds, friend lists⊠more tools to be used.
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many of these things started as addons in the bc era and later on they rolled gs in to the game because of the use of the addon so no players did not realy even use addons back in the classic wow days
Of course they can, but most donât. Not without help.
I know you say you arenât that amazing⊠youâre just a 2.4k player, 2.2k on another role.
Dude, youâre probably in the top 2 or 3% of WoW players and assuming youâre posting in good faith, a humble one too because 97-98% of players are worse at this game than you and you genuinely arenât aware of that.
Thereâs a ton of players who are significantly worse than you and even more who are below average at the game⊠50% of those who play, in fact, are below average.
This game, in its current form, does everything it can to encourage those 50% to seek life elsewhere. And, well, they finally are. In record numbers.
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No, Iâm not. DPS meters existed in Molten Core. Some of the oldest were 2005 and 2006. BC didnât release until 2007.
Sorry, but youâre the one who is wrong.
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This reminded me of a short story we had to read for school called Harrison Bergeron. It was about a society where to keep people from feeling inferior to others, everyone was dragged to the same level to balance out their talents. People who were beautiful had to wear ugly face masks, people who were graceful had to wear weighted clothes, and people who were smart had to wear earpieces that played random sounds every few seconds so they couldnât think properly.
Think about the kind of thing youâre suggesting and let people who like to play the game well, play the game to their level. Isnât that what people like to say they want for themselves when they make posts like this?
If youâre having trouble with a certain class rotation I suggest Icy Veins.
Also, its âyouâreâ.
Helps if we have a perspective.
While Iâll be the first to admit I personally believe FFXIV to be easier than WoW, itâs significantly less toxic. You can actually join a dungeon without knowing jack, have a subpar rotation, bare minimum gear; and the people will work with you.
The only way you can get that in WoW is in a leveling guild, presuming guildies are willing to spend time helping you. In any other group content you can expect toxicity.
I was one such player until FFXIV chilled my roll. Iâm way more patient now with players who are learning the content. Itâs not helping though. Players are predisposed at every corner to toxicity.
How do we break this trend as a whole? We canât put the blame on Blizzard solely.
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naa im good i know now to playâŠi donât need a guide to tell me
How dare people be competitive and want to be the best at something.
Oh, by the way add-ons have been around since the game started, they pretty much started to show up almost instantly. They only got better through the years; nothing makes you use them.
People will still keep carrying people like you for a price or out of pity, so be thankful that we do.
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Its good that youâre having a good time and all that stuff, but why does gear score and dps meters and all of that stuff bother you if youâre fine with your own playstyle? Canât help but be curious.
to some extent maybe itâs just luck. iâve run into good players who are supportive and positive, and that encouraged me to get better instead of just giving up. i can certainly imagine that if my experience from day one was being yelled at and called a moron, i might have given up.
part of the issue is that some people just donât want to play better. thatâs fine, but they need to be honest with themselves that thatâs why theyâre not getting better results.
it makes trying to help them frustrating. you can try to explain a mechanic to somebody in a low level key and you get âbro relax itâs just a +8, who cares?â okay, fair enough, but the +15 you want to join is going to expect you to know this already instead of wiping the group trying to figure it out.
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Back in Wrath when I thought I would first try out raiding I went and listed myself on the Uldular list on my server. Eventually I was invited and about 20 sec later was kicked because the people on my server didnât know me and didnât want to deal with some new person. Only reason they invited me was to make a point that I should stop listing my name.
People were the same types of jerks back then.
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Rating systems and DPS meters are just tools. In this case, the tools are misused, but that does not change the fact that they have a use and are very good at doing certain things.
These threads make me question how some people are able to get dressed in the mornings.
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People doing higher keys were doing something similar already. All adding it into the base game was cut the floor out from under new players and alts.
Elitism isnât just people doing high keys or heroic/mythic raids. You should try the lower difficulties. I made an alt sham on horde and I pretty much gave up on him because nobody wants someone with low score in spite of a 220+ ilvl.
I met quite a few people just flat afraid to even try because it gets so bad. A warrior tank in fully upped Korthia gear for example. I tried really hard to convince him he had plenty of gear to just jump right into a +6, and he would be better than most in spite of his lack of experience.
yeah itâs so cringe to have an opinion
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I get it. You can only bring a horse to water, you canât make him drink.
IMHO: The problem is everything Blizzard does rewards those who assumes the horse wonât drink and donât even bother trying bring them to water⊠so most new and returning players just die of thirst and move on.
As to your point if you got lucky, Iâd say it depends when you started - it wasnât always like this. Modern WoW basically reduces your value as a player to your ilvl and RaiderIo/Mythic+ number, and if you arenât already established by now and you donât get lucky and find a guild that is willing to carry you a bit and show you the ropes⊠you have one hell of a long, hard road ahead of you.
One thatâs fair easier to quit than actually walk down.
What special rewards did we get for doing our first M0âs with each other at the start of the expansion?
Oh right, nothing. We did them anyway.
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Why canât the new player just make their own group?