That’s an excuse. Normal/heroic are both flex so as long as you play dps it’s not an issue.
Most mythic guilds also have a 25 person roster to rotate people or for when someone doesn’t make it.
I don’t you raid mythic but even if you did most guilds can rotate someone out if they need a break.
Well, whats stopping you?
Be the change you want to see in the world of warcraft!
Start a group, invite everyone and go raiding! There is nothing that can stop you, there is 0 gatekeeping possible, every raid is open and accessible for everyone. You are able to solve your own problem instantly.
Unless… you only want to get into really good groups and want to get carried. If thats the case, it might get a bit difficult.
No. That is a misinterpretation.
There is always great catch up gear in FF. Meaning whatever time you have to give, you are rewarded for your time. And you can choose many routes to that progress.
Wow gearing is built from a core of addicting its players.
They have a fun game. But they make you feel terrible far too often for your efforts.
Most people could do better sure. If they wanted to. What’s the point though? You get the gear, then it’s all junk next tier.
I spent several raid tiers chasing after mythic gear (on Alliance) just to do it all over again and again. It’s satisfying for a while, then it quickly becomes more trouble than it’s worth.
Meters are important and hard proof to call out someone that’s slacking on interrupts, dispels, offhealing, cc, etc
It’s way easier to point to an addon with a graph that shows the numbers than be like “well we havent done well the last 150 games i feel like maybe we’re letting too many casts go off but i can’t be sure?”
Didn’t read the full thread so might have misunderstood the thread topic but meters are not elitism
literally everyone I know who plays FF uses meters. everyone.
they aren’t “not allowed”
yes, being a tool and calling someone out will get you a vacation, but people still use them.
but all of that aside, because we’re just aruging semantics and it’s irrelevant - a game based on math where you can’t see the math would be stupid.
Yes, really. I mean, you’re the one to infer that, not me. That thought was not in my head, but your’s. You thought it.
You mean, “less try hard”. But, I get it and know what you mean. I don’t want to argue over semantics which honestly all this is.
Hence, why I said:
Keyword being “I” which means myself and myself, only. I don’t assume others consider myself to be “casual”. I don’t speak for other people. Other people have mouths and can use them to speak for themselves.
No, it’s not. I (also) like how “un-casual” this statement is and of itself. “You can raid ‘casually’, but don’t make excuses as to why you can’t!” LOL
Still requires some form of scheduling, as we’re still not trying to be a hinderance, here.
And, I think that’s fantastic. Still doesn’t fit my (keyword) playstyle.
I’ve been kicked out of guilds before due to inactivity, even if I wasn’t raiding. Which is fine, that’s their rule. Don’t underestimate how long of my breaks really are. I can go for months, at a time.
The lack of gear chase is what turned me off from GW2. The lack of a standardized end game is what turned me off from ESO.
WoW does endgame exceptionally well. It doesn’t need to get rid of that.
It DOES however, need more casual ways to approach the game. Like player housing, more incentive for exploration (think pets/mounts/mogs tied to exploration achievements) etc. things like that.
WE CAN HAVE OUR PIE, AND EAT IT TOO!!! Stop trying to rob this game of one of its core identity pillars.
I’ve been on the wrong end of “elitism” plenty of times. Here’s the cure for elitism - put in the time and effort to get the gear and experience that allows the appropriate next doors to open, then keep pushing forward. Just focus on getting better and learning more; as long as you’re better than you were the day before you will get where you want to be. Sure, there’s plenty of “elitists” in the game that expect too much but hard work and effort is your way around that.
what does weird al yankovic have to do with anything
Number Munchers is based on math this is warcraft its an mmorpg
unfortunately for you, it’s combat system is based on math.
if you want a game that has content so trivial, your performance doesn’t matter, play FF and just do roulettes. or stay in wow and just do LFR/LFG, but some of us play content that has performance requirements, and we need to be able to see how we’re measuring up, and where we’re falling short.
without meters - data - that’s impossible.
Their head must explode when they see warcraft logs 
I like your guild name!
thank you! I’m pretty proud of having 3 identical paladins in it
No one is excluded from anything people just need to g through the same steps as everyone that does the content to get themselves to the same level.
I came back to wow in bfa and was in a guild that was progressing normal uldir.i started watching twitch and decided I wanted to get better and do higher level content so I did. I didn’t know anyone or have a guild to help because they were not interested in pushing harder soni pigged everything and got aotc before they had cleared normal. By the end of the tier I had 5 mythic bosses down and in the next patch I was pushing keys and mythic raiding. By the tier after that I had ce.
No one can stop people to from progressing of they want to progress.
It honestly just feels like people on here just want to get carried because they see where people have ended up and don’t seem to think that there were steps we took along the way to get there.
Most of it seems to be people wanting to be carried, yes.
I also think there are some who honestly feel, “I’m actually a really good player and could get Cutting Edge, etc. if people would just bring me to their groups even though I haven’t done Mythic. I’ve done LFR and Mythic is just the same thing but with more damage.”
A fallacy that exists because people actually post that (incorrect) statement a lot here and don’t get called out enough on how wrong it is.
Elitism is when good players do stuff.
children of the lie