Firelands is officially in its 11th week. 11% of the 25 man Guilds have killed Heroic Ragnaros, some more are probably very close; however, now would be a good time to release the nerfed version of Firelands. Let the casuals have a little fun and get their Heroic Rag kills and let it be easier for those of us who have already gotten it.
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Time for also rising the VP per dungeon back to 480 per dungeon as well…
Time for joyous journeys to return maybe?
Alot of things that this dev team wont do because they are not interested except the bare minimum for cataclysm and future mop.
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Only 11% of guilds have killed it? That’s honestly surprising.
And only 8% of 10 mans.
Theres no need to nerf rag. Let it remain an achievement. Put his gear on a vendor instead, with DS patch. All of it.
Instead of nerfs they should increase loot drops, add omni token, etc. That’s also a nerf but preserves the fight, and lets us finish BIS.
why cant they have a little fun after they get DS gear and go back to do it the right way?
How are you getting 11%?
If I’m looking at warcraftlogs Firelands has a 40% clear rate on heroic and last tier had 50% so we’re not far in term of %. (If I am taking only groups that have killed at least one boss on heroic)
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No reason to nerf something that naturally gets nerfed over time anyway.
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https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1027?metric=fightwipes
Kill % is 11% on 25 man, and only 7.5% on 10 man.
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That data doesnt seem right, first its over 2 weeks. And it calculates parses for kills vs parses for wipes , so more a difficulty representation than a progression one, you can look at progress instead if completion rate is what you want.
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It means 11% of the players that attempted rag killed him. How is that inaccurate?
Theres no way 40% of guilds have killed rag. But even then your data is guilds, where as the data we are using is players. Lots of players pug/gdkp without a guild and are still trying to get a rag kill.
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honestly they should start adding nerf’s in to the content, an just saying “oh more gear will make it easy” that does not count as a nerf.
It means 11% of recorded parses have killed rag during those 2 weeks. If a guild/group wipe 20 times it counts those 20 times, it is not representative of the completion rate.
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Oh, I see! Because it counts wipes, the data is suddenly irrelevant? Fascinating logic. If anything, those wipes highlight how difficult the encounter is. The fact that so many groups are struggling just proves the point of the argument: Heroic Rag is too punishing for the average player. Maybe the solution isn’t to dismiss the data but to accept that not everyone has time for 100s of attempts per week to get a single boss down. Nerf it, and let the casuals enjoy their Heroic Rag kills, too.
Never said it wasn’t representative of the difficulty, but it’s not representative of the completion rate which is around 40% on warcraftlogs for heroic when the tier hasn’t even ended yet with last tier being around 50%.
Moreover, the more we will keep going with progression servers the more difficult bosses will happen. This is why there are multiple difficulties for people that can’t manage to do the hardest one.
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11% is way closer than 40%. There’s absolutely no shot that 40% of the groups going into Firelands are killing Heroic Rag.
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619 for heroic Rag
1543 for heroic Rhyolith
Which makes it so around 40% for groups/guilds that use warcraftlogs and have at least killed a heroic boss. It was around 50% for last tier, while numbers were way higher as the participation last tier was much higher.
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So you’re exluding groups who clear all normals to boost your statistic. Got it.
There are 1402 normal groups that have logged their normal Ragnaros kills for 25m (which is the highest boss for normal on warcraftlogs probably because heroic groups end up doing it also). I’d say it’s pretty fair to use heroic Lord Ryolith numbers in term of active raiding groups that use logs as it has the highest participation even vs normal.
This… that was the entire point of the difficulties… Because people were complaining about not being able to see all the raid.
It is okay not to finish things on the hardest difficulty if you aren’t able to do it…
What? Those are normal groups not doing heroics… of course, they don’t count… they aren’t trying why in the world would they count?
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They’re raiding Firelands and not killing Heroic Ragnaros. That’s the criteria. Who cares if they haven’t killed a Heroic boss. That’s cherry picking to fit a narrative.